48 points

Awful title.

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9 points

Clickbait 101

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It’s the verge, after all. Nobody should read their slop

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25 points

Even a few months ago it was hard for people with the knowledge to use AI on photos. I don’t like the idea of this but its unavoidable. There is already so much misinformation and this will make it so much worse.

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I don’t believe there’s misinformation because we fail to discern the truth though. Misinformation exists because people believe what they want to believe.

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87 points

Image manipulation has always been a thing, and there are ways to counter it…

But we already know that a shocking amount of people will simply take what they see at face value, even if it does look suspicious. The volume of AI generated misinformation online is already too damn high, without it getting more new strings in it’s bow.

Governments don’t seem to be anywhere near on top of keeping up with these AI developments either, so by the time the law starts accounting for all of this, the damage will be long done already.

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17 points

On our vacation 2 weeks ago my wife made an awesome picture just with one guy annoyingly in the background. She just tucked him and clicked the button… poof gone, perfect photo.

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11 points

But it’s never been this absolutely trivial to generate and distribute completely synthetic media. THAT is the real problem here.

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7 points

Yep, this is a problem of volume of misinformation, the truth can just get buried by one single person generating thousands of fake photos, it’s really easy to lie, it’s really time consuming to fact check.

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That’s precisely what I mean.

The effort ratio between generating synthetic visual media and corroborating or disproving a given piece of visual media has literally inverted and then grown by an order of magnitude in the last 3-5 years. That is fucking WILD. And more than a bit scary, when you really start to consider the potential malicious implications. Which you can see being employed all over the place today.

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3 points

Honestly yeah I agree. Many mainstream social media platforms are infested with shitty generated content to the point of being insanity.

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1 point

All hail the nail and gear 😉

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143 points

TL;DR: The new Reimage feature on the Google Pixel 9 phones is really good at AI manipulation, while being very easy to use. This is bad.

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9 points

This is bad

Some serious old-man-yelling-at-cloud energy

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58 points

It’ll sink in for you when photographic evidence is no longer admissible in court

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-23 points

Photoshop has existed for a bit now. So incredibly shocking it was only going to get better and easier to do, move along with the times oldtimer.

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I really don’t have much knowledge on it but it sound like it’s would be an actual good application of blockchain.

Couldn’t a blockchain be used to certify that pictures are original and have not been tampered with ?

On the other hand if it was possible I’m certain someone either have already started it, it is the prefect investor magnet “Using blockchain to counter AI

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How would that work?

I am being serious, I am an IT and can’t see how that would work in any realistic way.

And even if we had a working system to track all changes made to a photo, it would only work if the author submitted the original image before any change haf been made, but how would you verify that the original copy of a photo submitted to the system has not been tempered with?

Sure, you could be required to submit the raw file from the camera, but it is only a matter of time untill AI can perfectly simulate an optical sensor to take a simulated raw of a simulated scene.

Nope, we simply have to fall back on building trust with photo journalists, and trust digital signatures to tell us when we are seeing a photograph modified outsided of the journalist’s agency.

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7 points

Yep, I think we pictures are becoming a valuable as text and it is fine, we just need to get used to it.

Before photography became mainstream the only source of information was written, it is extremely simple to make a fake story so people had to rely on trusted sources. Then for a short period of history photography became a (kinda) reliable sources of information by itself and this trust system lost its importance.

In most cases seeing a photo means that we were seeing a true reflection of what happened, especially if we were song multiple photos of the same event.

Now we are arriving at the end of this period, we cannot trust a photo by itself anymore, tampering a photo is becoming as easy as writing a fake story. This is a great opportunity for journalists I believe.

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28 points

Meh, those edited photos could have been created in Photoshop as well.

This makes editing and retouching photos easier, and that’s a concern, but it’s not new.

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Something I heard in the photoshop VS ai argument is it makes an already existing process much faster and almost anyone can do it which increases the shear amount that one person or a group could make almost how a printing press made the production of books so much faster (if you’re in to history)

I’m too tired to take a stance so I’m just sharing some arguments I’ve heard

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Making creating fake images even easier definitely isn’t great, I agree with you there, but it’s nothing that couldn’t already be done with Photoshop.

I definitely don’t like the idea you can do this on your phone.

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Exactly, it was already established that pictures from untrusted sources are to be disregarded unless they can be verified by trusted sources.

It is basically how it has been forever with the written press: Just like everyone now has the capability to manipulate a picture. Everyone can write we are being invaded by aliens, but whether we should believe it is another thing.

It might take some time for the general public to learn this, but it should be a focus area of general schooling within the area of source criticism.

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almost how a printing press made the production of books so much faster

… and we all know that lead to 30 years of bloody war, btw

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