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How did google manage to make a version of linux more bloated than windows? It’s almost impressive.

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while modern standby still barely works in Linux: optimisations.

Steam Deck likes to have a word

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AI bullshit.

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And telemetry

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Tbf the high ram usage wouldnt be a problem if it cached processes in it and used it to save battery but its just pure bloat. I think phones should have a coprocessor that handles notifications like what smartwatches do and that basically free battery. But android is also bloated because apps take a very long time to launch because of the jvm and java (thats what i heard at least, idk if this is actually why its slow) so everything is just left active. Also i think android strayed too far from linux, its basically just a worse version with a mobile ui and the support of a country sized company.

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Only?

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They have 16GB of RAM physically, 3GB is reserved for AI. So yeah, only 13GB is usable by regular apps, even if you don’t care about any of the AI stuff.

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Seriously, what app is capable of saturating 13GB?

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It’s not about a single app, it’s about multitasking without having to reload apps.

At various times I’ve juggled between 4 apps at once on my phone. Say something like Messaging, Firefox, maybe a lemmy app, and Bitwarden for logging into something.

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Adding to what others said it is beneficial to load an app from RAM.

  1. Loads faster for user convenience
  2. Lower power usage so you’ll have better battery life
  3. More RAM reduces disk writes for cache / temporary files / from cold started apps that could write to storage.
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I think it’s more to do with app switching without having to reload or losing your state in minimized apps.

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If this is enabled by default it’ll certainly be needed, especially in cases like multitasking.

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2024/08/adding-16-kb-page-size-to-android.html?m=1

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Ollama server running in termux

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I assume 13GB shared with all active apps and not 13 per app.

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I know how RAM works

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Sure about that?

https://fedia.io/m/android@lemdro.id/t/1119259/Tested-Google-s-Pixel-9-Pro-models-only-have-13GB-RAM/comment/6949769#entry-comment-6949769

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Barely enough for the OS and one app

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Only? I have just 8 GB RAM on My PC.

And Android device which I am using to comment this have just 2GB RAM.

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Chrome casually using 8gbs with a few tabs open. Also windows 11. I got a school laptop and windows uses 5gb out of the box💀. Linux supremacy.

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Chrome using 8gbs ram is not necessarily a bad thing

Usually browsers use a lot because nothing else is using the ram. If you had a separate program running, the browser would stop using as much.

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Shhh if you take away their illogical reasons to b**** about stupid things they’ll find more annoying things to b**** about. Just nod and say yeah buddy too bad about that ram somebody should do something about that, and back away slowly.

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Firefox using way less than that for like 20 tabs…

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Your OS is not necessarily using those 8gb, it just reserved them, meaning other apps can still use it

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No thats virtual ram that works differently. Virtual ram is usually much more than 8gb.

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Not a big deal.

Wait until you find out how much ram gets wasted in caching and algorithms designed to run faster on computers or improve productivity. Even things like indexing to speed up search or icon caching

It’s a mobile phone. 13gb is lots, and I’d be curious to see the extent that ai improves productivity.

The headline is designed explicitly to bait arguments

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The problem is Android is fuckterrible at using RAM properly.

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