130 points

Frankly, good.

There has yet to be any of these purported “child protection” scams that would do a damn thing for kids, and only invades the privacy of people that have zero reason to be investigated in the first place

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They could at least do on-device hash lookups and prevent sending. Has zero effect on privacy and does reduce CSAM.

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Yah, that would be a great solution in comparison, but it’s still privacy invasive. Not as bad, but it’s still not giving people due process.

Which, not everywhere in the world recognizes that principle as a right, I am aware. But I do consider due process a right, and scanning anything on anyone’s devices without a legally justifiable reason is a violation of that.

I’m not willing to kowtow to a moral panic and just ignore the erosion of privacy “because the children”. And it is a moral panic. As bad as it is, as much as I personally would enjoy five minutes alone with someone that’s making or using kiddie porn of any stripe, it simply isn’t such a common thing that stripping everyone of their privacy, in any way is acceptable.

They wanna figure out a way to target individuals suspected of that kind of crime, awesome. Untargeted, sweeping invasions simply are not acceptable, and I do not care what the purported reason of the week is; kiddie porn, terrorism, security, stopping drugs, I do not care. I have committed no crime, and refuse to give away the presumption of innocence for myself or anyone else.

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Ngl that’s pretty sus.

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yeah cracking down on the child trafficking networks operating on telegram would totally not do a thing /s

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13 points

It wouldn’t. Anyone into that shit will just go somewhere else, and the price of that is yet another erosion of privacy.

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yes if you go after people sharing it on the network you make it harder for them to access it. stop defending csam it’s creepy.

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112 points

If the programs were anything like this, I don’t blame them. There’s a fine line between child protection and surveillance.

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54 points

Bingo. The article even says that Telegram has removed confirmed content.

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Hmm. I think many services just don’t and can’t participate because they’d need to break E2EE. Telegram wouldn’t with most chats.

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When the West wants to censor the internet its always either child protection or national security.thats brought up as the reason.

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The west

Are authoritarian regimes somehow supposed to be more opposed to using children to promote heightened surveillance?

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I mean… Yes?

They don’t need to lie to sell their oppression. They just do it because they’re authoritarian.

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LOL, this is a joke right? Authoritarian countries don’t lie about reasons for doing things? LMAO

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Authoritarian regimes also do the same, although often with adult consentual porn instead of CSAM.

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2 points

The authoritarian South Korea.

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Authoritian regimes doesnt need to pretend. If they find out you are a risk they don’t need to gather evidence to get you in prison, so they don’t need to pretend they care about censoring the internet for the wrong reasons.

The issue here is the west want to do the same but need a valid justification. Instead of work to stop the actual abuse in the first place they want access to the only way for many people to share information safely.

You could be technically letrate and find your way around all the restrictions, but many people are not and they need access to secure communication channels to arrange there activism.

The fact we don’t see backlash against twitter, Facebook, Google, and Apple tells alot about what is this about.

The fact we are seeing more support for “consent” for kids, and the fact that there were many major cases such as Epstein and Maxwell which has been obscured or even hidden when it comes to major profilic people says alot about their intent.

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They do need to pretend, because they need assistance from supposedly civilized states in their actions covered by that pretense.

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Thank you for choosing “Tyranny as a Service!”

How would you like this wrapped? [ ] Terrorism [X] Child porn

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If they refused to hand over data that they had about individuals on a warrant, I can see how the arrest was kind of justified.

If the arrest was for refusing to install a backdoor for law enforcement to spy on anyone they want, then France needs to be kicked out of EU and sanctioned for human rights violations.

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Systemic racism and religious discrimination persisted, including against Muslim women and girls. Racial profiling continued with impunity. Excessive restrictions on protests and excessive use of force by police continued. Mass protests and unrest followed the killing of a 17-year-old boy of Algerian descent by police at a traffic stop. Racist, xenophobic and anti-LGBTI vandalism and violent attacks were frequently reported.

Parliament passed highly controversial new laws authorizing the use of mass video surveillance technology by law enforcement and introducing discriminatory immigration, nationality and asylum restrictions.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/western-central-and-south-eastern-europe/france/report-france/

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21 points

Yeah, fuck France.

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5 points

As a French? Yeah fuck France…

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then France needs to be kicked out of EU and sanctioned

This isn’t how the EU works.

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8 points

I’m exaggerating, but France should be held accountable.

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They’ve been delaying a vote on it because they haven’t had enough support to get it through.

Looks like they’ll prepare another round in October, which would be voted on in December. They’ll want this to pass under the radar, preferably behind closed doors.

Seems enough countries have changed their stance that it could pass this time, unless we keep putting pressure on our representatives.

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