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I’m gonna risk coming off too harsh and say this gaggle of meth microdosing ratfucks don’t deserve rehab, they deserve to rot in jail. Fuck them.

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there’s so much to sneer at here, but the style is so long and rambling it’s almost like someone with a meth problem wrote it

But you might draw the line of “not good drugs” at psychedelics and think other class-equals are wrong. If so, fair. But where this becomes obviously organized by class is in the regard of MDMA. Note that prior to Scott Alexander’s articles on Desoxyn, virtually no one talked about microdosing methamphetamine as a substitute for Adderall, which is more accurately phrased “therapeutically dosing” as the aim was to imitate a Desoxyn prescription. I know this because I was one of the few to do it, and you were absolutely thought of as a scary person doing the Wrong Kind Of Drug. MDMA, however, is meth; it’s literally its name: thre-four-methylene-deoxy-methamphetamine. Not only is it more cardiotoxic than vanilla meth, it’s significantly more metabolically demanding.

Alexander Shulgin has never quite stopped spinning in his grave, but the RPMs have noticeably increased

chemistry is when you ignore most of the structure of a molecule and its properties and decide it’s close enough to another drug you’re thinking of (and, come to mention, you can’t stop thinking of)

So you might as I do find it palpably weird that a demographic of people ostensibly concerned with rationality and longevity and biohacking and all manner of experimentation will accept MDMA because it is “mind expanding”, and be scared of drugs like cocaine because, um, uh,

—and since we’ve asspulled the idea that all substituted amphetamines are equivalent to meth in spite of all pharmacological research, that means there’s no reason you shouldn’t be biohacking by snorting coke. you know, I think the author of this rant might be severely underestimating how much biohacking was really just coke the whole time

You may have seen Carl Hart’s admission to smoking heroin. You may have also seen his presentation at the 51st Nobel conference. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dzjKlfHChU). The combination of these two things is jarring because heroin is a Big Kid drug, not a prestige drug, and how, of course, could a neuroscientist smoke heroin? His talk answers this question indirectly: the risk profile of drugs, as any pharmacologically literate person knows, is a matter of dosage and dose frequency and route of administration. This is not the framework the educated, lesswrong rationalist crowd is using, which is despite all pretensions much more qualitative and sociological. His status as a neuroscientist ensures that people less educated on the topic won’t rebuke him for fear of looking stupid, but were he not so esteemed we know what the result would be: implicitly patronizing DMs like “are you okay?” and “I’m just here if you need anything.”

how dare the people in my life patronize me with their concern and support when I tell them I’m doing fucking meth

I’m not gonna watch Carl’s video cause it sounds boring as shit, but I am gonna point out the fucking obvious: no, you aren’t qualified to freely control the dosage, frequency, and route of administration of your own heroin, regardless of your academic credentials. managing the dependency and tolerance profile for high-risk and (let’s be real) low reward shit like meth and coke yourself is extremely difficult in ways that education doesn’t fix, and what in the fuck is even the point of it? you’re just biohacking yourself into becoming the kind of asshole who acts like he’s on coke all the time

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MDMA, however, is meth; it’s literally its name: thre-four-methylene-deoxy-methamphetamine. Not only is it more cardiotoxic than vanilla meth, it’s significantly more metabolically demanding

chemistry is when you ignore most of the structure of a molecule and its properties and decide it’s close enough to another drug you’re thinking of (and, come to mention, you can’t stop thinking of)

I learned my (extremely elementary) organic chemistry through chill afternoons in bars sipping beer and reading about ochem, and I know better than these clowns. brb establishing new school, Drunken Monkey Ochem

severely underestimating how much biohacking was really just coke the whole time

probably starting their own journey now to test it out! I look forward to their Incredible Journey post

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Do you think they will manage to issue a coherent Incredible Journey post before their mugshot turns up in their local newspaper?

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Apparently newspapers are starting to get rid of mugshot galleries, so he might be lucky.

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they might not have the chance if they cause some particularly interesting fire along the way

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MDMA, however, is meth; it’s literally its name: thre-four-methylene-deoxy-methamphetamine

Rust, however, is iron; it’s literally in the name iron oxide

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11 points

You thought water was great, but have you tried H2O2?

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H2SO4 gives even more kick

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MDMA, however, is meth;

i want to Cave In this man’s Face with borrowed Parr Shaker

this might be considerably easy if he switched from microdosing to megadosing

You may have seen Carl Hart’s admission to smoking heroin

This is not the framework the educated, lesswrong rationalist crowd is using

fortunately for the rest of us, most of neuroscientists don’t frequent lw forums

you’re just biohacking yourself into becoming the kind of asshole who acts like he’s on coke all the time

whoa there, it’s the CEO Mindset™

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The combination of these two things is jarring because heroin is a Big Kid drug, not a prestige drug, and how, of course, could a neuroscientist smoke heroin?

Unlike this guy, I have no problem understanding that smart people sometimes like to do stupid things. There are a lot of doctors who smoke. This is not because they know tobacco is secretly good for you.

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As an adhd enjoyer, the idea of someone using our prescription stimulant medications of justify raw dogging gas station meth is fucking wild. Stimulant meds have been around since the 50s, but they are waaaaaaay better now, mostly because of novel delivery systems that carefully control the release rate of the active compound. I’ve learned the hard way that while generic allegra-d is fine, you can’t fuck around with your adhd meds this way, because the difference between generics varies wildly, and unless you request particular manufacturers – any or all of which may be in short supply when you request it – you’re playing russian roulette with your executive functioning for the next month.

Getting generic adderall xr is like buying a plane ticket, but not knowing until you board whether it’s an Airbus, a Boeing, or an Ork Wagon with a thousand pounds of fireworks glued onto the roof.

Then these guys are just going to do meth that they got from a guy?

Jesus.

Edit: do you reckon that meth > GMO mouth bacteria?

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At the very least, the supply chain of meth is likely to be more robust than the supply chain for GMO mouth bacteria.

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I can only assume the vibes were rancid

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Is there another Scoot that isn’t Scott Henson (RIP my sweet tiger)?

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Scott Alexander (Siskind) of SlateStarCodex/AstralCodexTen

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Aha, thank you!

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I thought the same, friend.

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Absolutely legendary sense of humor, that beautiful man. The only time a person I didn’t personally know has died and I was legitimately crushed.

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