150 points

I understand why the employee is not pressing charges. It’s a matter of their and their family’s safety. Ok.

But what I don’t understand is that if using the cemetery for political purposes is against the law, and there are obviously many photos released and used in Trump’s campaign material, why not use that evidence to charge Trump¥, the campaign, and the photographers?

¥ Sadly even if they tried to arrest Trump, I’m sure it wouldn’t stick anyway because apparently he gets away with everything.

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51 points

This is a problem with liberals. Conservatives are playing to win, even if it means playing dirty. Liberals are playing to play. That is why Conservatives are winning and getting more powerful even while being openly wrong, weird, and stupid.

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10 points

But they aren’t winning, and aren’t becoming more powerful. The GOP is weaker and more fractured than it’s ever been in living memory.

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They have the supreme court, they have taken away abortion rights. Jan 6th happened which was an attempted coup and very few were charged, some that were, were even released. Trump is openly talking about election fraud for the upcoming election. Trump is talking about becoming a Dictator. That is just the big stuff.

Yeah, they aren’t that popular, but that doesn’t seem to be stopping them.

In any sane society these actions would be lead Trump to be tried for Treason and MAGA to be labeled as a terrorist organization.

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-35 points

Your argument is full of fail. Straight from the beginning your position is established. Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say and not just block you outright?

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15 points

Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say and not just block you outright?

Why didn’t you?

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4 points

Because I am right ;)

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3 points

full of fail

Are you from the past?

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1 point

full of fail

ive got bad news for you if you just time travelled forward from 2006

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Why not arrest ANY of the 50 or so people. Just start arresting the poorest person in the photo (money means no consequences) and then every day the next and so on.

I think it would super interesting.

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4 points

any of them would get protection from trump and could still make the employee a target for hate

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7 points

I agree with making the employee a target.

But Trump is known for not protecting those who stand up for him. The low level staffers would be in trouble and their god-king won’t bail them out. He only cares about himself.

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17 points

Because Trump is rich and influential and it’s long past the time we should stop pretending the law actually applies to everyone.

Laws and rules are for regular people, if you are rich or famous or influential enough, laws do not apply to you

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6 points

Law prohibits political campaign or election related activities at the cemetery, not photography in general. If their photographs are not used by their campaign officials and trump can reasonably articulate a reason to have been there aside from campaigning, which would be pretty easy, it does not seem there would be any grounds against him. It seems the news reporting on the incident is the primary coverage of the visit.

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5 points

In order to press charges she has to announce her name publicly. And if she does that, MAGAts will come after her and her family. May even try to kill her. Trump’s followers are not our best.

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6 points

I’ve seen several cases where on the docket and in court records its an anonymous victim, since charges aren’t filed by the individual when it comes to criminal matters. It’s the state or federal government that is levying the charges and the victim is largely a witness.

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3 points

I don’t know how any of this works, but I assume some person who “has been harmed” by the actions needs to press charges. I would assume that could potentially be any American. Wouldn’t it be great if Harris did it? The former prosecutor/DA filing charges against the criminal opponent.

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In most common law jurisdictions, the executive branch doesn’t require even a victim, they merely need the elements of the criminal offence satisfied.

Not sure about the US, likely they need her to strengthen the case and won’t bother without her witness testimony.

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4 points

I don’t think that’s right. In cases where the person pressing charges makes the difference between filing suit or not, it’s like because their testimony is crucial to the case. The government doesn’t need it, though.

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2 points

Bro if he didn’t get any consequences from his FELONIES, you think him pushing someone is gonna get him punished?

They know he will get away with everything unless he loses in November.

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1 point

At some point a line will get drawn. It’s a question of when and where.

Of all his crimes, Al Capone was convicted on tax evasion.

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1 point

why do you use the yen sign for the asterisk lol

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2 points

There wasn’t a particular reason; it’s what I decided to go with.

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1 point

somehow that makes it worse

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93 points

It’s a federal crime to put your hands on a federal employee, the employee doesn’t have to be named or anything the federal government can pursue it in the interest of justice in her stead.

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27 points

Unfortunately he’d just argue for the 6th, of having the right to face your accuser/witnesses in any criminal case. And once he knows the accuser’s name, he’ll plaster her info all over his network, even with the ever useful gag-order.

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14 points

The accuser can be the US Government or what ever specific agency she works for.

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9 points

Then he’ll make the argument that it’s all made up if they don’t reveal the victim.

We’re talking about a guy that tries to make any, and everything a legal loophole. It’s one of the reasons his cases take so much time for the prosecution to build their cases

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They have witnesses and their accuser is the federal government like felony murder.

Ed: plaster a witness and victim that’s a government employee? No no, he can get away with quite a bit but middle employees will never let this shit stand.

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8 points

Hasn’t he gone after judges?

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2 points

but middle employee employees will never let this shit stand.

He said, seemingly unaware of the last decade of American politics.

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6 points

Or Dark Brandon could just “disappear” the orange bastard in a Supreme Court-protected “official act.”

One or the other. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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67 points

The USA needs to learn from the mistakes made following the Civil War. Do not let the seditionists back into government.

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22 points

They’re already in government and red states are happy to have them.

They also run the supreme court right now.

Not having a way to recall judges is a severe flaw in the constitution.

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The Supreme Court itself has established that there is a legal way to recall Justices now:
Kill them and call it an “official act”.

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1 point

Too late

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These assholes have already won. If somehow they find their way back into the hell hole they came out of, it won’t be in my lifetime.

I’m not a very hateful, or vengeful person. I can’t think of a single grudge that I hold against any particular person I’ve encountered. But for Republicans, I wish them the worst and will enjoy watching every pineapple karma is inclined to shove up their asses. In fact, I’ve resided myself just now to find a way to celebrate every small victory against these fuckers and will live a happier life for it.

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18 points

your depictive vitriol makes me want to believe in an afterlife, just for the sake of vengeance

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1 point

Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, I’m not done fighting. Vote.

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Dude. Calm the fuck down and resume your therapy.

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Huh?

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If you’re so full of their hate. They’ve won.

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That’s not why they’ve won. They’ve won because they have corrupted any semblance of democratic rule this country has and are actively looking to regress into an autocracy while freely stripping our rights away. They’ve won because they have no morals or principals to speak of but rather than scattering to the wind they double down on their hate filled platform. They’ve won because no matter how; if they succeed in their goal of making us all worse off there is nothing I can do, personally, in the short time I have here, that will put an end to it.

They pretend we live in a world where the forces of good fight the forces of evil and in doing so become the opposing force that demands a counter. I don’t have to call them evil I just have to point at their idol; false prophet; belligerent old man; trump. It’s plain to see who it is that is contributing to the negative power structure in this country. While no party is guilt free; someone has to stand up to them. By constantly having to fend off their assault we’ve lost our freedom to live in peace not worrying about if tomorrow we will be more poor; more subjugted; more divided; more uncared for.

Who could look at this and not be hateful? If being despicable enough to be hated is a victory, please, lets open all the doors to the prisons and enjoy a win.

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The person you’re replying to claiming that, for bigots to have won, the true litmus test is if society hates bigots. How entertaining.

My message to you is keep fighting. You can learn angrily, you can teach angrily, you can be braver.

There’s plenty to learn and teach about. Wherever you are there are surely folks in need and folks organizing, and the darker things get the brighter our resistance grows.

Take up with, and get involved with literally ANY human rights advocacy. No, you wont change the world all on your own – but hyperindividualism is something to unlearn (angrily) all on it’s own!

What you’re almost certain to do, supposing that you go in with the strength to admit when you’re wrong, will be to build connections with kindred spirits.

So here’s just a few inspiring causes, for which i both encourage online learning about, but topics for which you never have the true picture until youre involved locally with folks who are already saying, for their humanity “Nothing about us, without us”

Drug War Survivors: https://www.crackdownpod.com/

Landback: https://www.indigenousaction.org/

Marooncast: Black and Queer anarchism, ending police (and their) brutality and creating real autonomy for communities of color https://marooncast.buzzsprout.com/

Healthcare: https://www.beatriceadlerbolton.com/ (Has a link to the book and podcast. Other collaborators, and the greater community formed around these, deserve equal attention and credit)

These are a small fraction of what’s out there. If you’re able bodied and inclined to do so, go link arms in an eviction defense; Stonelink Realty is buying out folks apartments from under them everywhere, and there’s no justice, or even any sense, in police throwing someone working two jobs out on the street, just because sillicon valley types are moving into the area.

Be pissed. That is an appropriate emotional response. Know that for many of us, especially those whose intrinsic traits cannot br safely hidden (melanin, queerness, medical or economic condition, …) that retreat or surrender are not possible.

Since youre still reading: There exist so many anonymous, unofficial rescue workers, engaged offline providing the resources made scarce or forbidden to those forgotten or sacrificed by society. Knowing of them casts a bit of light. Getting closer to that light? Well maybe your experience of community begins to feel a bit less cold. ✨️

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-11 points

Thanks for making my point for me. Cheers!

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11 points

Watching your tormentors get tortured and you still think the game is about winning and losing.

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52 points

In case anyone was wondering, this is the bullshit perspective Republicans are jerking each other off with:

Harris was asked to be there by the Gold Star families and she refused. Her and Biden both refused. They are responsible for the casualties that occurred during that Afghanistan pullout, and they couldn’t face the families despite being asked to be there.

That should be the story.

But nah. Desperate media makes it about Trump taking pictures with the family who asked him to take pictures.

This is why no one trusts the media.

So, to sum up, “Poor Trumpie”, “desperate media”, “don’t trust ‘the media’”, somehow Biden and Harris’s fault, and no mention of the rules of the cemetery or assaulting the employee.

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Well, it can’t be Mr. “I-don’t-know-anything-about-any-bad-things-and-take-all-credit-for-all-good-things” Trump’s fault now, can it? He’s absolutely immune, infallible, perfect and if reality doesn’t agree, then we just rewrite reality until it fits. Easy.

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