123 points

I literally had avocado toast today. You know what made me start? I did the math, and avocado toast costs about as much as a bowl of cereal. They’ve been gradually hiking the price of all the essential items like cereal and milk, but the luxury goods haven’t gone up as much. There’s no such thing as “cutting corners and saving up” anymore.

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…well there’s always rice-and-beans but with the way finance, insurance, and real estate are going these days you’ll need rice-and-beans just to survive, not to save up…

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16 points

What a rich guy mindset, have you tried skipping meals and save up for rent? Tip your landlords.

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Costs and nutrition estimates
  • milk - $3-3.50/gallon
  • avocado - $1-1.50/ea
  • cereal - $0.10-0.20/oz @ Costco - so I guess $0.35-0.70/100g?
  • bread - $2.50/loaf, 22 slices per loaf

The internet tells me that 125ml milk to 30g cereal is the proper ratio. In freedom units, that’s ~30 servings per gallon or $0.10 of milk per bowl, and 30g is a little over an ounce, so $0.10-0.20 cereal per serving, leading to about $0.20-0.30 per serving. For avocado toast, a slice is about $0.11-0.12, so avocado toast is about $0.61-0.87.

Looking at nutrition (taken from MyFitnessPal and Walmart websites):

  • 125ml whole milk - 81 calories, 5g fat, 5g protein
  • 30g honey nut cheerios - 113 calories, 2g fat, 3g protein, 2g fiber
  • 1 slice whole wheat bread - 60 calories, 1g fat, 3g protein, 1g fiber
  • 1/2 avocado - 117 calories, 11g fat, 1g protein, 5g fiber

In total for my area, for an average serving:

  • cereal - 194 calories; 7g fat, 8g protein, 2g fiber
  • avocado toast - 177 calories, 12g fat, 4g protein, 6g fiber

Normalizing for cost per calorie in my area, I get:

  • cereal (whole milk, honey nut cheerios) - $0.10-0.15/100 calories
  • avocado toast (whole wheat bread, medium sized avocado) - $0.34-0.49/100 calories

In other words, avocado toast is something like 2-5x more expensive than cereal, depending on where in that range your meal falls. If you’re buying regularly priced cereal (more like $0.20-0.25) and if milk is more expensive in your area, then it’s a lot more competitive, but still cheaper than avocado toast (something like half the price).

That said, neither is a particularly expensive meal, and you’re not poor because you’re eating avocado toast. However, if everything you do is 2-5x more expensive than alternatives, then we have an issue.

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You’re also forgetting that cereals contain almost no vitamins or fiber, but avocado does. So, to make up for it, you should eat a salad to your cereals. Then calculate the price again. You will find (I guess) that avocado can compete with cereals+salad.

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Well, a multivitamin costs a few cents…

But yes, cereal is certainly less healthy than avocado toast, but it doesn’t really need to be if the rest of your diet makes up for it. Also, there are also breakfast cereals with higher fiber and vitamin content (e.g. most granolas), and oatmeal has 4g fiber in a 140 calorie serving and is cheaper still than most breakfast cereals.

My point here isn’t to decide which is the best option for your breakfast, but to challenge the idea that avocado toast is somehow about the same price as breakfast cereal. There are a lot of options for breakfast that can fit into a balanced diet. The important thing is to find something you like that supports a healthy lifestyle and fits into your budget, and there are a lot of options to get there.

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5 points

Avocados are $3 each here and half the time they’re bad. Must be nice living somewhere with affordable avocados.

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15 points

Do you use an entire avocado for your toast?

Where I live it’s $5 a gallon for milk (let’s assume 1/10 gallon for breakfast cereal so $0.50 per bowl)

Then it’s like $1.00 /100g of cereal, so you’re probably looking at $1.50 for a bowl of cheerios.

Where I live I can get avocados for $1.20 each and a loaf of bread for $4.50 (14 slices?) so if I use half an avocado for my slice of toast that’s less than $1.

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Even with avocados at $1 each it’s still way more expensive than a bowl of cereal. Unless you buy brand name cereal at MSRP or something.

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3 points

The price of cereal shot up in the last year, heh.

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5 points

The bit about avocado toast is not making one for yourself at home for $2. It’s about going out to eat for every meal and ordering an overpriced item at a hipster brunch bar in a liberal city. It has nothing to do with the fact that a piece of bread and an avocado are fairly cheap on their own.

Not defending the out of touch piece of shit that said it, just trying to give context.

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-2 points

So it’s okay to do in a conservative city?

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4 points

I noticed healthier food getting cheaper than manufactured “food” products years ago. Everyone talks about McDonald’s in 2024, but nobody remembers the discomfort around a $6 box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch in 2014.

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2 points

If you make the bread at home it’ll taste even better.

I switched from cereal to oatmeal to Red Mills hot cereal. The hot cereal is great, I add honey and it’s very nice.

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We need the Rent Is Too Damn High guy to be in high political office to get this shit under control.

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Eh, McMillan is a republican who endorsed Trump. We don’t need him.

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16 points

We want the legend, rather than the man, it would seem

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good luck angering the rich real estate-owning people without a backup plan

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8 points

Fuck them. You cant outsource an apartment building to China. Make their lives hell and if they decide being a landlord isn’t worth it and sell their property at a loss then everyone is better off for it

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8 points

At this point we need somebody who will just come out and say it: it’s everyone else versus landlords.

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2 points

What we need is more housing, and that means looser zoning, which means fighting the NIMBYs. I would love to see mixed zoning become a more common thing in the US (and everywhere TBH).

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55 points

It’s funny, my father-in-law repeats all the lazy and spoiled talking points about this weak younger generation. The one thing I’ve never heard him complain about?

Avocado toast.

Bro eats that shit every morning.

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35 points

Ha, my boss gives me this one. “But I’m different,” he says when I tell him about side project stuff like working on my house. I try to tell him… everyone my age I know is like that. They fix their own car/house/electronics and also do some kind of side work. You know how much a contractor costs? Between friends and family, I could be a contractor tomorrow, but not because I want to be. It’s out of necessity. I would love to pay someone else to install floors or do plumbing.

But yeah… all the evidence in front of his face doesn’t hold a candle to whatever Fox News tells him.

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8 points

650$ to replace a 20$ shower handle cartridge. 500$ to spray down your AC 400$ to replace a 30$ capacitor in your AC 150$ to turn off your sprinkler system valve and blow air through it for a few minutes.

Yeah… I basically do 100% of our home maintenance myself. It’s literally cents on the dollar compared to hiring it out.

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And the flip side of that; paying a craftsman to do the job is 1000% better for everyone involved!

Better for the craftsman. I’m helping someone else stay employed.

Better for my house/car. Let’s be honest, I learn by trial and error.

Better for me. Outside of more basic maintenance, I don’t want to buy all those specialty tools… like that thing you use to pull a shower handle cartridge out.

It’s better for the economy. Putting money in the craftsman’s pocket contributes to the general churn of the economy, and he is more inclined to buy local where I am more likely to end up at a franchise. It’s a little thing I call Trickle Up Economics™.

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Those prices sound… inflated. In our area, service is something like $100/hour for all of that, plus the cost of parts. So I’d expect it to be:

  • shower handle - $150-200
  • AC clean service - $150 - in my area, there’s a promo $75 AC clean service
  • AC repair - $200-300 - extra cost for diagnosis and whatnot; probably done in 2 visits
  • sprinkler system - $150 - though why would you pay for it? It takes like 30s to shut off the valve, and you don’t need to blow air through it (I never do)

That said, I still do most of that myself. I hire out the dangerous work (gas lines, electrical breaker box, safety components on car, etc), but I’ll do most of the rest myself, such as:

  • oil changes - costs me like $35-40 each time ($25-30 for synthetic motor oil, $5 for OEM oil filters bought in bulk, $10 for air filter from auto parts store); that’s about half the price of oil change places for synthetic
  • fixed combination meter in car (Prius) - $100 eBay service and 2-3 hours of work (remove whole dashboard; would’ve cost $1k+ at the shop)
  • replace sprinkler heads - $5-10 per head, and about 10 min of work (dig around it, unscrew head, screw new head on, re-pack)

And so on. It’s usually faster for me to DIY since I don’t need to call, change my schedule, etc, I just order the parts and do it when I have time, with a YouTube video showing me what to do. It probably takes me about 2-3x as long as a pro, but generally speaking, that time would be spent with me setting up the appointment, talking with the contractor, etc.

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5 points

Laughs in upcoming brake job and then cries in current bathroom reno diy costs

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32 points

Ah, but Real Income is up 0.6% over the last fiscal cycle, so why are you complaining?

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Judging by the massive price hikes right next to being told that Inflation is much lower percentage-wise than the price increases most people are experiencing, that Official Real Income growth number is based on doing the Maths with an Official Inflation that hugelly underreports real inflation.

Do the Maths with an Inflation figure that’s not as bullshit as the current Official one and you get negative Real Income Growth.

Similarly for GDP Growth, by the way: Official Inflation numbers which understate the real inflation mathematically yield higher Official GDP Growth numbers.

There are very big political reasons to fiddle with the Inflation reporting to make it seem lower because it boosts up several important Economic figures without fiddling with those directly, and the pressure from politicians to do so is probably manyfold the normal in an election year.

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17 points

Wait fucking wait wait fucking wait… That piece of shit owns real page?? I’m like 99.999% I had be reading about him giving gifts to supreme fuckbag Thomas but I don’t think realpage was ever mentioned…

Ffs…

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8 points

Yarp, been fucking every working class person in America for years. Yayyyy

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4 points

They need to be consumed

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