“So yeah the son of God was on earth, but you just missed him. He was crucified about 50 years ago. Your dad might’ve met him.”

And then Mount Vesuvius fucking explodes

Edit: I meant Roman, I wrote this late at night.

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One of the greatest revelation from Michael Hudson’s research with the Harvard Peabody Museum archeology team is that Jesus was the leader of a debt cancellation movement in the ancient Near East who died revolting against the creditor-led oligarchic regimes.

The Greek word (ὀφειλήματα/opheilēma) had been variously translated in different versions of the Bible as “(financial) debts” or “sins”, with scholars arguing whether they meant moral failure/sins (more formally παράπτωμα/paraptōma) or financial debts owed to creditors. The problem came when Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, a religion centered around the Jubilee.

From the blurb of …and forgive them their debts: Lending, Foreclosure and Redemption From Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee Year (Tyranny of Debt) (2018):

The Real Message of Jesus: Jesus’s first sermon announced that he had come to proclaim a Clean Slate debt cancellation (the Jubilee Year), as was first described in the Bible (Leviticus 25), and had been used in Babylonia since Hammurabi’s dynasty. This message - more than any other religious claim - is what threatened his enemies, and is why he was put to death. This interpretation has been all but expunged from our contemporary understanding of the phrase, “…and forgive them their debts,” in The Lord’s Prayer. It has been changed to “…and forgive them their trespasses (or sins),” depending on the particular Christian tradition that influenced the translation from the Greek opheilēma/opheiletēs (debts/debtors).

Contrary to the message of Jesus, also found in the Old Testament of the Bible and in other ancient texts, debt repayment has become sanctified and mystified as a way of moralizing claims on borrowers, allowing creditor elites and oligarchs the leverage to take over societies and privatize personal and public assets - especially in hard times. Historically, no monarchy or government has survived takeover by creditor elites and oligarchs (viz: Rome). Perhaps most striking is that - according to a nearly complete consensus of Assyriologists and biblical scholars - the Bible is preoccupied with debt forgiveness more than with sin.

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I would like to know more

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I’m so interested in this stuff. I found it fascinating reading Graeber’s Debt when he talks about how a lot of words relating to sin, transgression, etc. have very old etymologies linking them directly to the concept of debt.

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not sure if you wanted it but: got a source here https://michael-hudson.com/2017/01/the-land-belongs-to-god/

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Is there a documentary or good video I can watch about this?

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Why am I at Pompeii if I’m Greek

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Southern Italy had a Greek majority until the middle ages.

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Teaching a rich kid philosophy

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greeks set up colonies along the entirety of the mediterranean sea from the west shore to the east and from the north to the south. They were settler-colonising in this way from around the 400s or 500s BC until they got owned by the romans

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goldern Greeks takin all the Roman jerbs

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Wait, they are worshiping the guy that made bread and wine? Then went into a death an rebirth cycle? Are you sure they weren’t confused and talking about Dionysis?

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Egyptian guy overhears the conversation and breaks in arguing about Osiris

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Chances are you’re a follower of one of the myriad other wacky mystery cults floating around at the time anyway

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Oh, your messiah died? Mine is still alive in the next village over

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Oh he just died? You’re telling me now for the first time

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I heard they’re gonna be minting a new Messiah in Alexandria next week

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Jesus is a revisionist of John the Baptistism.

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Why Greek specifically and not Roman?

Also Caesar and Cicero and some of the fall of the Republic all time greats were all crowded around this time period too. It was like MCU, but less lame

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It was like MCU, but less lame

No matter how cringe capeshit is it will never be as cringe as the Romans.

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IIRC people in that part of the Roman empire commonly spoke Greek because of Alexander the Great’s conquest of the area centuries earlier. So you’d be more likely to run into someone bilingual in Aramaic and Greek than you would Aramaic and Latin

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I fucked up. It was late and my wires got crossed.

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