Civilization is when misogyny
Is that like a Primitive Technology YouTuber who just shares their clay bullshit?
Anarcho-Primitivists (‘Anprims’) are people who think that the industrial revolution is a mistake and we should return to monke stick. Many believe that the Neolithic agricultural revolution was also a mistake, and we should return to hunter-gatherers.
Even back in the day when body mass and explosive bursts of strength we relevant on the battlefield it made no sense to ban women for being women.
Even if 10% meet the physical criteria, why would you disqualify so many potential recruits
That’s actually an interesting point to raise.
First, you have to consider the issue of logistics - if women are, say, 10% less effective, on average, than male recruits, then you are essentially dragging around 9 troops for every 10 mouths. That adds up, especially when running logistics is one of the most challenging parts of pre-modern warfare.
Second, you do have to consider the issue of sexual violence performed upon the minority gender (ie women in this case) disrupting cohesion. It’s difficult to trust your rapist, or people who side with him. Also one of the reasons Russia’s military is so dysfunctional, though in Russia’s case it’s male-on-male rape.
Third, you have to consider the possibility of pregnancy. Soldiers fuck. Each other and locals, it’s unavoidable. In a time before reliable birth control, a woman who ends up pregnant has her logistics footprint increased AND her combat efficacy decreased.
Fourth, you have to consider that most pre-modern armies were not standing, professional armies. There wasn’t strict criteria to get in, it was “Your city-state/village/fief is getting called to arms, round up your warriors and send them to the ad-hoc army that’s forming”. As such, it would be difficult to ensure that the women who arrive meet that 10% standard.
Different societies with traditions of female warriors resolve the issue in various ways. In the raiding warfare of the Vikings and Celts, there is widespread evidence for women warriors, because 20 lbs and less dense bones is a disadvantage in individual or small scale combat, but far from an insurmountable one. If you were fierce and eager, that was enough. This is also why female pirates pop up surprisingly often for a profession that involves being stuck on a ship with a bunch of sailors - personal prowess counts for more in boarding actions than mass. Many steppe tribes also have plentiful evidence for women warriors, and this is likely back to the mass argument - namely, that when you’re on top of a 1000 pound horse, 20 lbs either way is not gonna make much of a difference.
Some societies, like the Sengoku-era Japanese, trained their noblewomen in the arts of war, allowing them to act as makeshift garrison troops in a pinch - much more useful than just another mouth to feed in a siege. Because of this, and the fact that the way of the samurai is the way of the horse and bow, women also participated even in the mass field warfare of the Sengoku era, though obviously not in numbers comparable to men. Some European noblewomen were similarly trained, but it was much less common due to deeply-rooted cultural misogyny. The Sikhs also trained women in warfare and had significant female participation, but I only know the rudimentary details of that.
Obviously all of this is irrelevant in the context of modern warfare. But it’s good to understand the ‘whys’ of widespread historical phenomena, like women being excluded from military service.
Your first point assumes women need as much food as men. This isn’t true, women need significantly less food due to their smaller size and lower metabolism on average.
There’s actually a double-edged sword on this point - women consume fewer calories under ordinary circumstances, but when building muscle, have comparable food requirements to men. Due to hormonal differences, women lose muscle faster than men, which adds an additional time requirement for maintaining physical condition, and makes food shortages much worse with regards to decreasing combat efficacy. Not only that, but there are other issues of logistics - keeping troops clothed, shoed, etc - that would unambiguously suffer from the ‘10% less effective’ problem without any significant offset.
Yeah! No one’s ever been traumatized by a dead male corpse!
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It made sense to spare women fighting when weapons were strength based and you cared about population growth.
Now everywhere’s overpopulated and an 3 year old can be given the means to kill someone.
The real killer is mass and bone density. When societies get large enough to make serious war upon each other, you end up with thousands-large shoving matches with blades and shields, and in those scenarios an extra 20 lbs and fewer broken bones per soldier adds up.
I mean, ‘is’ in the sense that there’s still a difference in mass and bone density between the sexes; if we went back to mass shoving matches now that issue would remain for mass participation of women in warfare. ‘Was’ in the sense that it’s less relevant in warfare today as it’s actually waged, ie with guns.
Obligatory they/them vs was/were army
