44 points

I joined a writing meetup here in Amsterdam which gathers every week in a bar to write, to talk about their writing, to bounce ideas, etc. I kinda got tired of going because there were a worrying number of people using chatgpt to generate ideas. I was the only one trying to write non-fiction, and most of what I was writing would be crit of tech (sometimes genAI) so talking about my writing was always fun. But nonetheless, their use of chatgpt seemed extra weird because we were there, together, to write and support each other, for free.

It’s strange to use solidarity, support, and just general helpfulness from others as an explanation for how AI opens writing up to classes or abilities when that’s probably one of the top things that social media (and pre-social media social media) gave us on the internet.

anyway…

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21 points

NaNoPromptMo

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Also I’d hate to see Scrivener touch AI - esp because they sponsor nanowrimo and still seem connected https://web.archive.org/web/20240902130810/https://www.literatureandlatte.com/nanowrimo

Scrivener is a hero product in my research/writing as an example of a software product that is designed for concrete purpose

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A while back one of their reps did say somewhere on Reddit that they have no intention of adding any LLM features to Scrivener. Granted, they said that in the context of moving towards a subscription model and talking about features that don’t work with their current business model, but still. Unless something has changed recently, they seem to want to stick to being a one-time purchase without any cloud-based services whatsoever, including AI, for their next major version too.

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I use NovelAI myself. But you gotta provide good context since it mimics your own writing and isn’t an instruct model. It’s more of a “yeah, and—” for brief passages.

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yes! I look forward to the longer post you mention

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43 points

Statement clearly written by AI

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yeah, same vibe as hate reading the jakob nielsen substack

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That’s it. the world needs a different name for writing a novel in november without all the trademarks and baggage of NaNoWriMo.

I propose “November”. It is a portmanteau of “Novel” and “November”.

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November

Not clunky enough.

My understanding is that this whole thing is an exercise in done > perfect. I think this should extend to the conditions in which you write as well, i.e. you shouldn’t have to wait until November to do this exercise. I propose a new phrase: “Nah, there’s No special Writing Moment”, or NaNoWriMo for short

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Also the people who were really into NaNoWriMo were usually people I did not like being around because that’s all they talked about. Just go write and shut up

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NaNoWriMo did not say that ‘not writing your novel with AI is classist and ableist’.

What they did say however is almost worse:

We also want to be clear in our belief that the categorical condemnation of Artificial Intelligence has classist and ableist undertones, and that questions around the use of AI tie to questions around privilege.

So you’re classist and ableist and probably privileged if you’re against the use of AI.

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Nah this is still a stupid point.

LLMs are not a writing tool at all, it’s like saying it’s classist to not be able to afford a ghostwriter.

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Talent and effort are privileges and you should feel bad about them you scum

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14 points

fuck right off thanks

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12 points

best bouncer ever

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11 points

poster name checks out, and I didn’t even get to see the dumb

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fyi they updated their blog post with this catch-all disclaimer in the last couple of hours

“it is simply too big to categorically endorse or not endorse”

“so we’re gonna play it safe and endorse it”

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it turns out the only staff member, or one of very few, is the interim ED. Everyone else quit a couple of months ago because she was fucking terrible. I suspect she’s counting sugar lumps.

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that fits the tone of this stubborn defense

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12 points

categorical

situational

Alright then, point out the situations where there are good actors in the AI space. Oh, there are none? that would imply that materially the whole category is corrupt.

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11 points

“Because we got paid, cause we got paid, cause we got pa-aid!”

To the tune of “Then I got high” by Afroman.

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Ahh pussies. I ran the sherlock holmes kink meme a few years back, at one point we had the proto-chat generated fics start to uptick in the community.

We banned them

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