We all know, women sizes differs between brands, models and countries. Men had the war to tha k for standardize sizing due to uniform requirement. Need a pair of pants? Hip size and leg lenght is all you need! For wonen though, it depends wich country, company, cut of pants. You’vegot hips sizing, waist size, various non descriptive leg lenght ( Regular, for short or tall legs), etc. I think it is just tedious to shop for clothing at this point. What’s yourtakeon a solution to simplify all this spaguetti of size clothing?
Is this standardized sizing for men’s clothes in the room with us right now?
Are men clothe even standard ? I am floating in some shirt while some others at tge same sizing feel like a crop top
Dress pants, shirts, and jackets are fairly standardized by measurements. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than S M L sizing.
The measurements aren’t always reliable though. I’ve got 2 pairs of pants, one a 32 waist and the other is a 36 and they both fit the same.
As someone who made understanding clothes sizes my main nerd-quest of recent years (see my other comment, lol) , I can confirm that no, men’s clothes are not standard either. In some ways they’re better, in some ways worse - like, it’s one thing for a medium to have a lot of variation, but I would expect waist or leg sizes that are measured in inches to be more consistent.
Alas, finding well fitting clothes sucks for everyone (though ofc, it sucks for some people more than others)
Exactly as you’ve described it: bust, waist, hip and leg length, but with leg length from hip to ankle. It would mean not all sizes are available for a given piece of clothing, but it would mean that on the rack or online, you could tell whether a piece of clothing would fit.
Yes and I would also add thigh circumference and calf circumference. I have larger thighs and calves, which is not always in line with hip circumference. For example, hips can fit but not calves in straight legged pants for me.
In this case, would it not make more sense to have more varied materials that are more stretchy, and more brands that cater to more varied sized people?
Standards are great for standard sized people, but it’s also nice to have a selection of non-standard sized clothes for non-standard sized people.
Step 1 would be to get women to give up on the concept of form-fitted clothing, and just accept that off-the-rack items fit about as well as a potato sack, like most men’s clothing does. Voilà, then I could standardize sizing to just a couple numbers.
I’m not sure it’s possible, because the different parts of women’s bodies don’t tend to scale in relation to one another. There’s the waist-to-hip ratio, thigh circumference, breast size, width of shoulders, length of torso, length of legs – none of which have much to do with each other.
A woman can have size L shoulders, size XS breasts, size S waist, M hips, L thighs, long torso, and short legs. Another might have M shoulders, XL breasts, XXL waist, L hips, and M thighs, short torso, average length legs. And no retailer would bother making garments that account for every possible combination, because that wouldn’t be profitable. (This is why so many women with small chests and small ribcages are sold 32A bras that gap on top and ride up in back, when a properly-fitting bra would be a 28C – companies can make more money by selling less variety.)
Men, for the most part, have more similarities in their shapes and less variety in where excess adipose tissue settles. Also, as someone else pointed out, it’s more socially acceptable for men’s clothing to fit like a sack.
The solution, unfortunately, is alterations, either by hiring a seamstress or doing it oneself. (No judgment from me: I keep meaning to learn that skill but CBF to get a sewing machine when I might abandon the project.)
I’m a man who is right in the middle between the standard sizes, and it’s very hard to find anything that fits. It’s either too big or too small. But I’ve found a place on the web where you enter all your measurements and then they tailor it for you. It’s a bit more expensive but the fit is amazing.
I don’t disagree with all the trouble with women sizes, but as a somewhat taller than average man with long arms, whose belly did not grow with torso length, who likes to stand upright with shoulders back, I can tell you, shopping for men’s clothes is not the simple thing you paint it here.
And god forbid those times when I am fit and have muscles. That’s nightmarish for finding clothes.
When men wear clothes like sacks, you can imagine that it’s not because they don’t care, but because they gave up.
