Oof I think this service is only worth it if you have a family plan and everyone helping. That is how I personally make it reasonable in terms of pricing.

56 points

I’m in the UK and it’s already too expensive imo.

Would be great if I could just pay for no ads YT without YT music.

In fairness, the amount of YT that I watch on TV/iPhone makes it worth the cost, but any increases and I’ll probably just cancel and watch less YT, which isn’t a bad thing.

Or maybe just look at getting one of those Turkish subscriptions for like £2/month

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I would subscribe in a heartbeat if I could get a cheaper subscription without youtube music.

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7 points

Yeah, it’s just absolutely useless for me.

I’ve got a decent Sonos setup and use Tidal because the quality on YT music makes everything sound meh.

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5 points

Indian family plan is £2 a month for 6 people.

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1 point

Does it block people who don’t live in the same location/state?

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Nope. You only need a VPN on the initial purchase then you can add or remove family members as you wish.

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In fairness, the amount of YT that I watch on TV/iPhone makes it worth the cost

Yeah, my take was “the good I get out of YouTube is worth that, so if I’m in a situation where I need to pay that, I’d pay it”.

For me what I don’t like is that I haven’t seen anything about Google not using it to profile me. If I get an account with Google, pay them, then they have not just the usage data, but it linked to financial data, which makes it a lot easier for them to build a profile. And that I don’t want.

Google provides some good services, and they are services that I’d be willing to pay for, but I don’t want to be paying the bill and having Google building a profile on me. Maybe some people don’t care about that, but I do.

Hell, even if Google were to say “we won’t profile you”, I’d have no way of knowing that they wouldn’t change their policy in the future.

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Any video service builds a profile of you based on viewing habits.

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I have never subscribed to any video service where the service provider knows what I’m watching and has my financial data. The last service I got was (traditional, no provider-provided box) cable video service, about fifteen years back. All the provider knows there is that I got the basic cable package.

The closest I ever came was being in the random sample for a Nielson Ratings poll, which I did not respond to (and in any event, I am sure that they do not profile individuals, because their sample is too small to make doing so worthwhile).

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45 points

Wow! It was hardly worth it to begin with.

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Feels like one of the best value subscriptions to me?

I use YouTube more than most streaming services and it helps support creators

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31 points

I can somewhat understand Hulu and Netflix raising prices because of video content licensing but Youtube Premium? Fucking stupid as hell.

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YouTube has also been increasing its ads for free.

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29 points

Youtube Vanced on my devices, Piped on my computers. gg saved you 13.99 a month

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NewPipe is also a good alternative if you want to cut Google off your data, it doesn’t use accounts and instead subscriptions are kept locally on the device.

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I don’t comment at all, so NewPipe gets most of the functionaloty I would ever want from YouTube. Plus, it also helps by not having personalized reccomendations to keep me stuck watching it.

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I only use revanced because I consider picture in picture and playback with screen off a basic feature, and removing it to monetize inherently immoral.

The fact it comes with everything else is bonuses. I’d pay for those bonuses, but I won’t if they try to cheat me beforehand.

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The regular YouTube app won’t even do PIP on iOS even with the premium subscription; it’s ridiculous.

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I use yt-dlp to pull down YouTube videos, and have ad blockers on my web browser (I didn’t actually realize that YouTube even had ads until what was apparently years until after they’d rolled out, was stunned when I used someone else’s computer).

However, I would assume that if a significant chunk of people go that way and YouTube decides that they’re losing out on sufficient ad revenue and/or profiling data doing this, that they’re going to start blocking those. I would guess that they can make life unworkably difficult for any third-party clients connecting to their service if they put their minds to it.

YouTube probably doesn’t care about SponsorBlock, because they aren’t getting a piece of that money. Heck, they probably benefit if it encourages advertisers to go through YouTube rather than content creators on YouTube. But the profiling and the YouTube-displayed ads are probably something that they are going to care about, if push comes to shove and the impact on their bottom line is large enough.

And one more point – I can believe that the Threadiverse could potentially displace Reddit. Usenet was distributed and was once the norm for Internet forums, and something like that could be the situation again.

But the bandwidth costs of videos are a lot higher than the bandwidth costs of forum text. I am not convinced that PeerTube or something like that will necessarily work at the scale of replacing YouTube. At the least, it’s going to be a rather larger chunk of money that has to come from somewhere than is the situation with forums. Someone is going to have to be writing checks, at the end of the day. Maybe it doesn’t have to be via watching ads or users getting profiled, but the money’s gotta be coming out of someone’s pocket.

YouTube also has some of its content creators putting material up to be paid. Reddit doesn’t – well, didn’t, as it looks like now they’re exploring that – have that commercial model, where they try to pay people who create content. For YouTube content where the creator is doing it with the aim of generating income, any hypothetical YouTube replacement would need to generate money to cover not just bandwidth costs, but also paying content creators.

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5 points

And SmartTube for TV

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Has Vanced been working for you? Mine has been breaking quite a bit recently (as in, videos will stop loading after only about 30 seconds)

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I switched to revanced and overall it’s been great. Occasionally I’ll get ads in the main YouTube dev but never mid roll or pre roll ads which are arguably the most annoying ones

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I do believe there is a fix for that, iirc you have to enable ‘Spoof App Signature’ under Settings > ReVanced > Misc.

I think that’s how I fixed it, but if not there are discussions on how to fix this issue over at the ReVanced subreddit.

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Yeah, there’s no reason to pay for Premium unless you have an iPhone (and hopefully even that will change once the EU drags Apple kicking and screaming away from their App Store monopoly.)

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22 points

Gripping tight onto my initial grandfathered price from Google play music. $8

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How? I had the same plan and got an email saying they wouldn’t honor the grandfathered plan and I was still being upped. I think they gave me an extra month or two at the lower rate and that was it.

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2 points

Are you non-American? Seems like only Americans get any kind of deal. Rest of the world gets the middle finger.

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No clue but never received an email. I’m a day 1 subscriber though.

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Yeah. I’ve still got my $10 a month price for YouTube Red.

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I have the $10 price from Google Play Music and just got an email saying they were jacking my price to $14, but because I’ve been such a long-time user they’re giving me until December.

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Just woke up this morning to the same email.

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