There is no denying that white supremacy is an engine of the right.
There are some Republican voters who are sympathetic to their party’s ultranationalist turnand don’t believe the party’s attitudes toward issues such as immigration and crime are the products of racial animus. But over and over again, right-wing leaders and thinkers reveal that white supremacism is an engine of this movement.
The latest example comes via an episode of “The Tucker Carlson Show” released this week, in which the former Fox News host interviews podcast host and newsletter writer Darryl Cooper. Carlson, arguably the most influential right-wing nationalist commentator in America, said Cooper “may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States.” But Cooper has made clear that his intellectual project regarding World War II includes Holocaust revisionism.
It is truly insane to me that the one party in this country has moved into straight-up holocaust denial, but the only thing that will get you labeled an antisemite by either party is suggesting we politely ask Israel to do a little less genocide with the weapons we give them.
I also love the fact that saying we shouldn’t allow one semitic group to eradicate another semitic group with our tax payer dollars, makes you antisemitic.
You know it is possible that both you and they are antisemitic?
A made up political spectrum doesn’t make it impossible for you to fall for the same politics of hate that they’ve fallen for.
Many in the pro-Palestinian movement have lost a sense of good judgment thinking their emotions justify anything they say or do. Others in the movement look the other way when this happens.
Take a good look at this Tucker Carlson drama unfolding. This is how most people see the pro-Palestinian movement right now. Rationalizing antisemitic shit. Does this help Palestinians? Nope. But that movement is going in a bad direction, and it’s starting to be more focused on hating Israel (and Jews in general) than on actually helping Palestinians. A lot of similarities to the MAGA movement, which claims to be about helping the middle class, but in actual practice is more about hating people. Right now the MAGAs are hating on the same people that people in the pro-Palestinian movement hate.
Many in the pro-Palestinian movement today will become the MAGAs of the future. Antisemitism is a hard thing to shake and has a tendency to take over all other thoughts by people infected with it.
I’m curious to know what I’ve said that’s antisemitic. From where I’m standing, there’s only one comment here that’s antisemitic. It’s the one that’s equating criticism of the nation of Israel for its ongoing slaughter of Palestinians with criticism of the Jewish people as a whole. All Jews are not Israeli’s, and criticism of Israel is not criticism of the Jewish people. Implying otherwise is a bigoted and cowardly attempt to shield a nation from accountability.
Every nation can and should be held accountable when it commits atrocities. If I were to condemn the Taliban for their misogynistic, regressive theocracy, no one would assume that I was condemning Islam as a religion or Muslims as a people. So, how can I do the same for Israel? Tell me the right way I get to say, “Israel has killed at least 40,000 people (probably closer to 85,000 in reality), mostly civilians, and it is disgusting that both major parties support this slaughter.” Let me know what way I can criticize Israel that doesn’t offend your delicate sensibilities, so we can finally discuss the fact that our nation is funding a genocide.
I didn’t say you were. Though promoting a false narrative about Israel committing a genocide (the casualty numbers are consistent with urban combat in other conflicts) is an indication that you aren’t really questioning the narratives you’re seeing on the internet.
Given that you’re resistant to doing any kind of introspection on whether any of your views might be stemming from antisemitic biases you are more susceptible to antisemitic beliefs than those who are willing to stop and consider things carefully. I mean look at JD Vance making a joke about how him drinking Mountain Dew will probably be considered racist be Democrats. You’re going down that line of thinking. It’s not good to think like JD Vance thinks.
You can avoid these traps by actually considering the possibility that some of the things you see on the internet are racist in intent and designed to make you hate certain ethnicities. Not everything on the internet is that way of course, but there is a lot of content that is. Many times someone is unwittenly sharing something with racist dog whistles without know they’re doing so.
The whole “they’re probably going to say I’m racist for this…” mentality is preemptively dismissing any form of criticism of a position about it potentially being racist. You’re creating a permission structure to be racist because anything that contradicts you is “just them making up lies about me being racist.” Yeah it’s the internet, people do falsely accuse others of being racist, just as people falsely accuse nations of genocide.
The right wing is constantly using rhetorical tactics involving getting the upper hand by making extreme claims. Preemptively declaring any opposition over potential racism in their narrative is automatically disingenuous. Constant appeals to emotion, selectively promoting facts that promote the narrative while ignoring facts that run counter to the narrative. These are the tactics of both the alt right and the pro-Palestinian movement. In fact it’s becoming difficult to categorize the pro-Palestinian movement as anything other than an alt-right movement. Both are convinced that Jews are planning genocides, they just differ on who the Jews want to commit genocide on.
A holocaust/genocide studies professor once told me there were two categories of holocaust deniers, and while the former were fools, the latter truly scared him:
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“It didn’t happen.”
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“It wasn’t a holocaust because they didn’t finish the job.”
This is veering into #2 territory when you view these deaths as some sort of portion that had “overcrowding.”
Don’t know why you’re being down voted. “It can’t be a genocide there are still Palestinians living in Gaza” is literally a line being used by commenters.
You let in the Nazis, you’re gonna get Nazi ideology
Alright, so stay with here…
Cooper also framed the slaughter of millions of people, most of them Jewish, as a logistical failure
The article is spreading Holocaust misinformation too. Most of the victims of the Holocaust were not Jewish.
6 million out of 17 million isn’t a majority.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
It’s fucking infuriating that so many people keep repeating that bullshit. People legit believe it, it’s what we’re taught in schools even. But it’s just propaganda so kids grow up more likely to excuse Israel’s current genocides.
I was taught that it was the largest specific group targeted not that it was the majority.
Holocaust victims were people targeted by the government of Nazi Germany based on their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, disability or sexual orientation For specified groups like the Jews, genocide was the Nazis’ primary goal. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), the Holocaust was “the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jewish men, women and children by the Nazi regime and its collaborators”.[1]
Including 7.8 million soviet civilians and POWs in the count kind of seems like a revisionist definition of what the holocaust was to include anyone killed in the war. To undermine how much focus was on the jews pre-war.
Then you’d have to also look at deaths before the war for every group…
Like, you get that right?
Do you just not know most of the death wasn’t till Nazis understood they were likely going to lose the war?
That’s not a rhetorical question. To understand how to best explain this it helps if I know this is something you’ve thought about more than clicking on the Wikipedia link from a social media comment 2 minutes ago.
Where do I need to start explaining stuff here?
According to museumoftolerance.com and their Holocaust Timeline, Hitler said during a Reichstag speech in January 1939:
if war erupts it will mean the Vernichtung (extermination) of European Jews
So before the war even started, when these people were already surviving in the world, eating, etc, the Nazis and Hitler already knew feeding them would be a logistical problem best solved by death?
The Chelmno (Kulmhof) extermination camp began operations on December 8, 1941, literally one day after Pearl Harbor, far before Germany was “losing” the war. And camps don’t just pop up overnight, especially ones that earn the denomination of being an extermination camp, so was this just more logistical foresight on behalf of those oh so kind Nazi officials?
From the same source regarding the Kulmhof Extermination Camp opening:
340,000 Jews, 20,000 Poles and Czechs murdered by April 1943
Or the March 17, 1942 Entry:
Extermination begins in Belzec; by end of 1942 600,000 Jews murdered
Wow, the German 6th Armored didn’t surrender at Stalingrad until January 1943, and the Allies didn’t invade until June 1944, so that’s an awful lot of “mercy killing” happening before the Nazis knew they were going to lose the war.
And FYI, just because the Nazis didn’t begin their extermination campaign until after the war began, doesn’t mean their actions don’t signal what their intentions were from the start: Dachau opened in March 1933, Jewish Germans were barred from military service in 1935, Jewish doctors barred from practicing medicine in 1936, immigrant Jews having their German citizenship status revoked, the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, Kristallnacht in 1938… Like, you see all this, right?
Where do I need to start explaining stuff here?
I’ve always heard the figure being 12 million total. I actually saw an older piece of material recently that mentioned the total as being 11 million.i agree that saying Jews were a majority is incorrect and misleading but I don’t think it’s intentional misinformation. It was the largest individual group.
but I don’t think it’s intentional misinformation.
Are you saying this one journalist who wrote the article wasn’t intentionally spreading it as propaganda this time?
Cuz I could believe that, that’s how 80 years of propaganda works.
Unless you’re as old as Joe Biden, it’s been getting spread longer than we’ve been alive.
But people genuinely believing it doesn’t make it fucking better, sure as shit don’t make it true.
Look at all the shit trump supporters believe, sincerity of belief is not as important as the factual merit.
I read that. I mean the total that we’re only killed because they were Soviets and not for any other reason, ethnic, sexuality, etc.
The racism is just used to distract from the economic issues faced by the middle class, low information voters need to be educated about this.
The republican party is going to destroy America and then their rich will move overseas. You already have TX governors fucking off every time a weather event happens.
