The poll is over, and the result is clear:

#FireFox users have very little interest for Chatbot integration into their browser.

I am very much aware that the people, who voted in this poll are hardly a representative sample, but more than 2.4K people is a better size than many “professional” opinion polls.

@mozilla & @firefox should take people, who actually care about their #browser choice, seriously.

I still seriously believe that #Mozilla’s fate matters,

https://berlin.social/@mina/113102817500429735

1/3

23 points

No shit

permalink
report
reply
14 points

Its shocking how out of touch they are

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points
*

Almost none of the people who are excited about AI know anything about computer science. I say this someone who always encounters idiots claiming my computer science degree will soon be obsolete because of AI… lol

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points
*

I get this in penetration testing too.

The AI has never successfully hacked (technically it’s not hacking because it’s authorized but you get my point) any system of even moderate complexity. That doesn’t mean the system is secure it just means the AI isn’t good at it.

The main issue is it’s not good at “if X therefore Y kind of thinking”, It may very well successfully identify a system as having a particular type of architecture but then it doesn’t follow through with the connotations of that.

I may not have to write all my own reports anymore, but I’m still going to have to do the job.

permalink
report
parent
reply
23 points

computer scientists: we have invented a virtual dumbass who is constantly wrong

tech CEOs: let’s add it to every product

Borrowed from here

permalink
report
reply
78 points

We want lighter and faster browsers that load up less features, block all unnecessary data collection and spying and java scripts, consume less hardware resources, and don’t choke and heat up 8-gb ram laptops just because I openned 1 tab.

I don’t want Siri in my internet. I don’t even like it when it automatically searches and returns suggetions for mere typing anything in address bar. If I wanted a chatbot, I know how to visit chatgpt or any site myself.

permalink
report
reply
9 points

It’s just an integration with LLM services and not AI baked-in the browser code. You can even self-host any such service (Ollama) and integrate Firefox with it. That will make sure your query is not leaving your network.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

Just a minor nit pick but it’s JavaScript, not Java Scripts (javascript and Java are massively different things).

Also blocking JavaScript on the web in 2024 is really not practical. Nothing will really work without it.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

You used to be able to run Java in the web, I remember the pain of applets.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

It’s still not the same as JavaScript

permalink
report
parent
reply
43 points

aw man i missed the poll i would have voted “fuck no” to chatbot integration

permalink
report
reply
13 points

Would you rather have a AI or have your browser 2x slower?

That is the kind questions that were asked

permalink
report
parent
reply
22 points

lol. I’d take a browser that’s 10x slower as long as it has no AI or crypto.

permalink
report
parent
reply
0 points

Yeah but in that situation wouldn’t you just not use the AI?

I think this is more about wasting development times and what features are actually in the browser.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

I like having TLS in my browser

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Is this the official Mozilla connect survey? I believe the question order and groupings were randomized, and that may have been a (IMO bad) control question.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

No that was a different poll. This one asked “do you want ‘enhanced privacy’ or a chatbot in the sidebar” which, of course, is a false dichotomy.

permalink
report
parent
reply
105 points

Eventhough I am not pro chatbot, such a poll is unfortunately completely worthless. Only random samples (or at least representative ones) allow to say something about a group.

If we go into an AI fanboy forum and ask the same question, we may find 3000 people saying the exact opposite. It just means nothing whatsoever.

permalink
report
reply
-4 points

@cmeio

Yes and no.

Obviously, the people questioned here, are not representative for the entire FF user community.

However: The Fediverse at large is a community of mostly tech-savvy people, who do care about independence from major corporations.

These are, in fact, also the people who are the core users and developers of FOSS software.

Whilst the exact percentage means nothing, the tendency is so clear that it should, at least, be taken into consideration.

Did you read part 2 & 3?

permalink
report
parent
reply
16 points

https://johnmjennings.com/an-important-lesson-from-bullet-holes-in-planes/

The responses needs to be contain representation at least equally to non Firefox people who no longer care to answer a poll about a product that they don’t use. Why? Only current users are going to answer the poll, not the people with the cuts and pain that forced them back to Chrome or safari. Asking survivors how to reinforce survival actually doesn’t solve for why do many people off board Firefox.

Frankly you should ask people like my 60-70yo parents why chrome not Firefox. You’ll learn more from that than the corrected responses of people who loudly have preferences but at the end of the day would stay either way. My parents tried Firefox, but then left it. Although they only tried from insistence from their son.

PS: I agree with the poll. I don’t want a chat bot either. If I did, I’d install a plugin that integrates once of my own choosing. Given the availability, privacy, and ease of lmstudio I’d rather leave it in its own place outside the browser and network. I don’t know how those like my parents feel about a bot that can probably answer their questions. I also doubt they care. Maybe it would help them ask questions they’re too embarrassed to ask friends and family for. Usually how to questions they’ve asked dozens of times. But that’s super dangerous.

permalink
report
parent
reply
35 points

100%. I feel like the broad fediverse community is not a fan of generative AI

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Does that mean they are not representative of the general population…?

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

The general young population uses a fair amount of LLM services, so yes

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points

There’s also the fact that it’s a false dichotomy.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Firefox

!firefox@lemmy.ml

Create post

A place to discuss the news and latest developments on the open-source browser Firefox

Community stats

  • 1.5K

    Monthly active users

  • 910

    Posts

  • 17K

    Comments

Community moderators