I am a huge police accountability buff. But also, law matters, and court rulings matter. If police order you out of your car for their safety (in the US), you have to comply. If you do not, they are authorized to use force to pull you out and almost never do that gently. Cops absolutely use excessive force all the time, so not doing things that specifically give them permission would be smart. Him rolling up his tinted windows and refusing to get out of the car are what made this happen.
They still need probably cause to force him out. They might have had it based on prior facts, but they might not have.
Cops are way past getting the benefit of the doubt from me
This looks like they were angry about an uppity black man.
This. They cannot tell you to get out for speeding or some other minor offense. They need probable cause for that. Then while he was in handcuffs, one of these clowns punched him in the face.
We need to end qualified immunity and start jailing these authoritarian tyrants.
This is wrong. Stop spreading misinformation. They can order you out of a car for nearly any reason. Safety being a primary stated purpose that has MASSIVE LEAWAY.
https://www.smithandeulo.com/can-police-order-passenger-out-of-car/?amp
https://defenseadvocates.com/can-police-make-you-get-out-of-your-car/
I can post these all day long. They’re everywhere. There is no excuse for people spreading this misinformation.
The time between them ordering him out of the car (not asking to roll down the window) and them forcing him out was a few seconds.
The one I saw was longer, they knocked at least two different times and he kept telling them off.
But they didn’t tell him to get out of the car yet. He should have rolled down the window yes, but that’s a separate issue than Penn vs Mimms.
The clip I saw at the link looked like it was edited right there, I’d love to see the raw video. It could have been too quick, it could have been longer. I don’t know.
Maybe, and I’m just spitballing here, but maybe for a simple speeding offense they didn’t need to drag him out of the car? Just because they are allowed to based on past court cases doesn’t mean they should use that for every issue they see.
I expected to come here and see the police way out of line. Instead they are a little bit, but Hill was disrespectful and non-compliant.
…Hill was disrespectful and non-compliant.
When the police came round, repeatedly, to my childhood house, after being called by my mother because my father was raping and beating her, the police laughed.
Maybe the police, as a collective, will deserve respect in some hypothetical future where they don’t often harm the innocent, and don’t often make the world worse.
Excessive use of force by the cop who clearly wanted to escalate. Tyreek Hill also wasn’t being smart in the way that was handled. We already know how paranoid and trigger happy law enforcement can be. People like to act tough on the internet, but I wouldn’t DARE roll up tinted windows during a police stop knowing how shit could escalate. I’m trying to have them see my hands at all times. That’s exactly the kind of shit that can happen when you’re just trying to get home safe. Whatever it is, it’s not worth it.
Tyreek Hill also wasn’t being smart in the way that was handled.
Why is it that we have to cater to the ppl in the wrong? Give him his ticket and go. Plus there was already another officer before captain tiny dick showed up who confirmed he had no weapons in the car and according Hill keep the entire situation calm. Fuck him. You want respect you have to give respect
But the guy breaking the law was in the wrong? Yes he’s going to get a ticket but he rudely rolls up the tinted window while the cop is still talking. Hill was clearly disrespectful first and antagonistic throughout.
Asshole cop vs asshole citizen is what the video showed. I’m far from a cop lover but I can see how it feels on the other side of a rolled up window where you can’t see what’s going on and the person inside’s being non-compliant. Don’t fuck around and talk shit while rolling up your tinted window when a cop pulls you over. People in this country are strapped up. Especially in a concealed carry state like Florida that is full of insane people. Cops are on edge for a reason when they’re doing a traffic stop. If I did what Tyreek Hill did, I’d fully expect to be asked to step out or pulled out of my car
There have been 18 year olds in active warzones that practice more restraint. If you’re that scared of being shot than don’t be a fucking cop. Like I said there was another cop before that asshole showed up who keeps the entire situation calm for everyone. Hill only started acting like an asshole when the cop started behaving like an asshole.
I have spent a couple years badmouthing this dude, but the police bodycam footage is pretty crazy. It’s also crazy to me that a bunch of Miami cops would pull over one of the city’s most well-known athletes and nobody was like “gee, maybe we shouldn’t go so hard on this one, he’s famous”
No normal citizen would roll up their window on the police. Give me a fucking break.
Playing devil’s advocate. He may just not have wanted some paparazzi taking a picture of him while being pulled over? You could see in the video where the cop decides he’s going on a power trip instead of just doing his job
Ok, and maybe the cop thinks he is trying to load a gun with the window up. Lots of what ifs.
so you are saying they should treat him differently because he is famous?
Cops should be aware that if they fuck around with a famous person, they will definitely find out how it feels to face serious charges.
I wish it was the same for us poor people, but it’s not.
Exactly. I’m not saying the cops should do it, but you’d think they’d take a moment to pause before harassing literally one of the most famous men in their city. If that doesn’t make them reconsider their actions, just imagine what it’s like for everyone else. Tyreek Hill even made a comment about it in a post-game press conference, where he wondered what would’ve happened to someone else.
Thought process might well have been: “This is an uppity black man, we’d better show these types a lesson.”
Police def overdid it, but part of the problem might be that some people would prefer to pay the fine for speeding because it’s insignificant to them. This specific component of the legal system is broken because it treats the wealthy exactly the same as everyone else.
Fines need to scale based on the wealth of the perpetrator. It should be an equal punishment for breaking the law.
That sounds good in theory but that only hurts the middle class disproportionately. Not to mention it violates the constitution.
Not to mention it violates the constitution
Almost as if relying entirely on an aged document written by the rich to set laws for the modern rich doesn’t work 🤔
Maybe there’s some precedent, but I can’t see why equally proportionate punishment should be unconstitutional.
You’re assuming the fines will be scaled up to hurt everyone as much as they hurt broke people. They should be benchmarked against somewhere in the middle class, scaled down for poorer people and up for richer.
Fines should be punishing but not devastating. At least not for speeding.
Also, you can just mail speeding fines to people, there’s no reason to pull anyone over for that shit except to initiate a conflict.
Over here speeding gets a fine and points on your license which when you hit the magic number you get your license revoked…
