TBF, he still got some preferential treatment, which he said himself. What if he wasn’t Tyreek Hill?
The preferential treatment was that the body cams were just muted during the cover up and not all accidentally turned off for the entire encounter, not getting beaten up, tased or shot.
I mean as far as preferential treatment goes I’d take that deal, but the fact remains he was pulled out of his car, roughed up, taken to the floor and handcuffed for 18minutes for no reason when the cop should have been writing him a (dubious) ticket.
There are at least 2 cops here who should not be cops and the rest need to be retrained to ensure they step in if they see mistreatment like this again, for face being fired.
The window being all the way down was not a safety issue, but i have zero faith that a court would determine the cops to have used excessive force. I’ll see you all at the next post where nothing changes!
I remember a video of a white woman closing the window into a policeman’s fingers, driving off (over his foot?) getting forced off the road again, screaming insults at the police, hitting them with the car door, before they resort to, iirc, a taser or dragging her out (might be more than one such video)
So in my mind, that’s kind of the ‘gold standard’ for behaviour which only leads to slow incremental steps in the use of force.
It was the fully tinted window being all the way up that created the safety issue in the officer’s eyes.
I find it interesting how some folks feel this is entirely an issue of policing gone wrong. There can be no fault for Tyreek here, apparently.
In Florida, the traffic code states that not following an officer’s lawful order or direction is a misdemeanor offense. It allows the police officer to remove Tyreek from his car and cuff him.
Try doing it the next time you are at a traffic stop and the officer asks you not too. See how it works out for you.
when everyone and their mother has a gun in the U.S., and you’re hiding behind heavily tinted windows, then yes, it is a safety issue. It’s not an unreasonable request to keep your window rolled down during a traffic stop.
Don’t take the job if you ain’t willing to take a bullet over a traffic stop. That’s the job. You don’t get to violate rights for your own safety. Your safety is secondary as a cop. If you can’t handle that fact of the position then you would be a shit cop.
Pizza delivery drivers have a higher chance to get shot than a fucking cop and yet you don’t hear pizza drivers capping people left and right for their own safety. So I don’t wanna hear your bullshit.
Die for that traffic stop pig. You wanted the badge without the risk.
You don’t get to violate rights for your own safety.
Are we still talking about the window? How did telling him to roll his opaque window down violate his rights?
As we saw, it’s actually a bigger safety issue if the cops can order you to lower your window. Fortunately, you and I don’t get to decide what’s “reasonable” in this context. It would go to the appeals courts, and who knows what would happen.
I think it’s likely that the appeals courts would say that Pennsylvania v. Mimms already let cops order people out of the car, which solves the safety problem, so there’s no need to give cops extra authority to order you around willy-nilly. The ordinary person has a clear interest in knowing what exactly cops can and can’t order, and you’re proposing increasing the ambiguity of it all, which (as we just saw) is dangerous.
it’s actually a bigger safety issue if the cops can order you to lower your window
most inane take I’ve read about this interaction
I’ll be honest, I’ve seen plenty of these types of stops on YouTube, I know guilty pleasure, and once he rolled up that window, Black, White, Chinese, Indian, you were going to get pulled out and arrested for contempt of cop.
Don’t get me wrong, police do racially profile and harass Black people disproportionally and are racists assholes but the traffic stop? I don’t think race played as much of a factor than just good ol’ fragile cop ego where a white guy showing the same behavior would have been mostly the same thing happen, just that the white guy would have been in no danger of being killed but gun or suffocation.
I think Tyreek is a piece of shit, but these officers didn’t handle this very well either.
I’ll get downvoted, but the body cam footage I saw showed Tyreek talking back to the officer, refusing instructions by rolling up his window, and telling them not to knock on his car window. It’s not exactly surprising he got yanked out of his car. Go ahead and argue it wouldn’t happen to a white person. I’m not getting into that discussion. Perhaps the cops should have attempted to deescalate, but Tyreek did himself 0 favors. Was not surprised that he found out after fucking around with the cop.
At this point, what you’re saying is like telling a woman she shouldn’t have been there or wearing that, and ignoring the real issue with power here.
Cops largely are pathetic power-abusing shitheads who escalate at every possible opportunity. You should not have to cower to every whim and demand of a cop if you are not doing anything dangerous. Cops have lost any credibility to suggest that we should have to give a shit about every stupid fucking tiny thing they have an issue with.
Based on your argument, you could say you’ll only speak to a lawyer and you’re giving the cops an out to beat the shit out of you for not complying. Cops don’t understand non-violent approaches to solving any problem, and THAT is the problem to focus on.
Fuck the police.
Sure, fuck the police but I argue a white person or a black person is heading for a bad time if they act the way that he acted. I can’t speculate on this any more than anybody else on “what if” scenarios should Tyreek have been white, but if you create a situation where the cop does not feel safe (e.g. rolling up your 100% tinted windows against their instructions) then you are going to get an escalation from the police.
if you create a situation where the cop does not feel safe
You reach for your license ‘too fast’ - cop does not feel safe Acorn falls on car - cop doesn’t feel safe You are boiling water at home - cop does not feel safe You are writhing in pain underneath their boot - cop does not feel safe
US cops are literally brainwashed into feeling like the public is a threat to them. They are wired to look for a reason to escalate.
I don’t have any studies to hand, but isn’t the disparity between police responses to non-white vs white suspects a given at this point, in the US at least?
But lets look at your argument both ways.
On the one hand you’d be arguing that race disparity in police responses doesn’t exist at all and so wouldn’t apply here.
Or
Race disparity exists, but in this specific situation it doesn’t apply for some reason.
If that’s the case , id be interested in hearing why you think it doesn’t apply in this specific circumstance?
Neither of those sound plausible to me but i could be missing what your actual argument is entirely, in which case, would you mind explaining why it doesn’t fall in to the above categories?
Yeah nah. I thought your comment was probably the reasonable middle ground until I watched the footage too.
The police has 100% needlessly escalated to violence and fully on a power trip. They have not provided any reason for asking the window to be rolled down - nor did they have any. You can see into the car even though there’s a lot of glare on the camera, most likely even better vision for a person. They made no attempt to explain any reasoning for the request to persuade him. Once on the ground and being cuffed, they proceeded to shout at him “when we tell you to do something you do it, not what you want”. That’s not how it works.
He didn’t even try to resist the arrest but they treated him with quite a bit of force. They didn’t listen at all when he called out he had an injury and needs more time to comply with the order of sitting down.
Yes, Tyreek did himself no favours with his attitude but he has also done absolutely nothing to deserve this treatment. He wasn’t even particularly rude to the cops, his mistake seemed to be not to act fully deferential to a cop on a power trip, which is absolutely no reason to treat anyone like this.
So you think that we owe abject obedience to authority figures because they might hurt you otherwise but it would still be your fault if they did?
Sounds a lot like an abusive husband claiming that he wouldn’t have to beat his wife if she hadn’t burned their dinner.
How does this relate to domestic abuse and what did I say to imply that I am one who would do such a thing?
I’ve been Tyreek and have been picked up on disorderly conduct charges for mocking a police officer to his face. They did not treat me like that. It was all bullshit too, they just wanted to search me thinking I was an easy target.
What you’re are saying is the police get your complete obedience no matter what. Frankly, that is just not how humans work. I don’t care if you’re an authority. If you target me I will feel a way about it.
Edit: BTW charges dropped because being rude is not illegal. Cops don’t just get your complete obedience. That is not the law. It may be a norm but we have the power to change norms. To change laws. Don’t perpetuate your own oppression.
Disrespecting a police officer is not an invitation for police brutality. You are a bootlicker for having this mentality.
Police officers should be professionals and try to use the least violent means necessary, and if there is even a hint of excess, they should be deemed unfit to hold the power of authority over others. Police should be reactive on the escalation ladder, only using violence when they receive violence. However, police are given a carte blanche to do violence by claiming in any interaction that they felt threatened, giving them impunity and why we’re here today.
It was Tyreek not following directions and making the inside of his car not clearly visible to the officer (despite his requests). That creates a safety problem for the officer. This was the main issue IMO. If words don’t work and the citizen is not cooperating then I’m curious what is the next step besides pulling the guy from his car?
He lowered his window, handed his license over, and put his windows back up. The officer felt safe enough to stand by the widow for half a minute, knocking on the glass. The argument that the situation was threatening holds zero water and is just bootlicker cope.
The officer can make all kinds of demands, but if they don’t fall under the procedures they are required to follow, then it’s on the officer. The lack of following procedures is likely why the officer is suspended and will hopefully no longer be on the force. The excessive use of force is also going to result in tax payers paying millions to the recipient of the assault.
Requests are optional, my friend. And the visibility no concern. We know that’s a blatant lie. You want to know how we know? Easy.
What if the cop doesn’t force him out of the car? What would the cop do? I got it! He’d go back to his police car, far from Tyreek, perfectly safe, and then he’d write up the ticket. Then he’d walk back to Tyreek and give him the ticket. The end. Almost no contact, and all of that with backup officers on hand ready to assist. No violence, no handcuffs, no nothing.
After all, most people driving expensive cars aren’t gonna stress about a speeding ticket. So give them the ticket already.
Yeah man, being rude to a public servant justifies being torn out of your car, slammed into the pavement and placed in handcuffs. Fuck right off.
Please don’t resort to those words. I am entitled to my opinion in this community without being told to fuck off.
Being rude is protected by the Constitution, as you learned in high school civics class. You did a perfect job of blaming the victim.
On the other hand, maybe what you were trying to say is something like, “We gotta be practically-minded because the cops are dirty racist bastards who will beat the hell out of us.”
I took AP US Government in highschool, but I don’t remember what the non-AP alternative was. I think civics classes were the same idea but got removed at some point because I don’t remember hearing about them while I was in school. The same way reading class got merged into language arts class I guess.
Being rude is protected, but holeing yourself in the car after committing a crime is not.
The police have to identify, notify, serve and if required detain. Preventing this is obstruction.
Still they handled this in one of the worst possible ways. Obstruction doesn’t mean force is required, and specially not before extensive attempts to deescalate.
If you don’t do anything immoral, you shouldn’t be arrested. Refusing to submit to cops is not enough reason alone for them to physically harass you.
He wasn’t arrested. He was temporarily detained so that the police officers could safely issue a speeding ticket to an uncooperative citizen.
You’ve got plenty of replies already, but I don’t see one saying this. You do not have a requirement to be nice to the cops. You have to identify yourself in most states, and you have to provide license and registration. You do no have to (nor should you) answer questions or be polite. The reason they ask questions is to get you to contradict other statements or to otherwise incriminate yourself. Their job is not to protect people. It’s to arrest people. It’s shitty, but that’s the world we’re in. We should not defend the state agents who are given this much power over us. It is wrong and indefensible.
Okay, I will argue that. Because it wouldn’t have happened to a white person. I’ve seen white people get away with doing a lot more than that to cops.
I’ve seen plenty of sovcit videos where white people get their windows smashed and dragged out of the car
Yes. After doing a lot more than he did first.
Also, cops leave SovCits alone all the time because they don’t want to deal with that shit. Black people, not so much.
Like dodging charges for assaulting his girlfriend in college? Or how about when he beat his kid and told his wife, “Bitch, you should be too” after she said to him, “your son is terrified of you” the proceeded to threaten his wife to lie to the authorities so the charges would be dropped.
He acted like the fucking scum bag he is to the cops and he fuckin got what he deserved. Mother fucker has been dodging charges that any non-athletic white person would never get away with. This piece of shit deserves to get hog tied and strung up like s pinata for his son to break open.
Sorry, the cops did that to him because of things he did in the past and not at the time of arrest and he was not charged with those things at the time of arrest?
This sounds sort of like people excusing Kyle Rittenhouse because he killed a sex offender, as if he could have known that.
I have no problem with rich assholes getting knocked down a peg or two or three.
Keeping your window rolled down during a traffic stop is not an unreasonable demand, especially when it’s heavily tinted.
