Young women are more liberal than they have been in decades, according to a Gallup analysis of more than 20 years of polling data.
Over the past few years, about 4 in 10 young women between the ages of 18 and 29 have described their political views as liberal, compared with two decades ago when about 3 in 10 identified that way.
For many young women, their liberal identity is not just a new label. The share of young women who hold liberal views on the environment, abortion, race relations and gun laws has also jumped by double digits, Gallup found.
Hi, I’m a teacher. The young men I see ‘villainized’ tend to make their own life harder by feeling entitled to money and status without actually trying to achieve anything. Their entitlement then causes them to act in unpleasant ways.
I don’t see many young men being treated badly simply because of their chromosomes or external genitalia.
yet at every step they’re villainized
Sounds like you’re saying that if a man goes to the bathroom and washes his hands he is villainized. After all, washing your hands is a step in a procedure.
You probably don’t mean that. Maybe you are employing hyperbole to make a point. Please explain.
Seeing as you’re a teacher, how do you rationalize less men getting into higher education? When boys are performing worse than girls in school, do you just pretend this isn’t statistically and factually happening to them so that you can continue to ignore it’s maybe the signs of a problem.
Maybe you don’t see it, because you don’t want too?
When boys are performing worse than girls in school, do you just pretend this isn’t statistically and factually happening to them
Ah, very clever. You’re trying to paint the issue of “performing worse” as “happening to them”, as if boys are being oppressed.
Please do keep on revealing your biases in your language, I find it fascinating. Oh, and do make sure to tell all the boys and young men around that you don’t hold them accountable for their own actions, because they apparently have no power over how well they perform. I guess all those naughty girls and women are firing their filthy female mind rays at them, taking away their ability to do homework and revise for exams.
What the hell is this thread?
This article is about issues like abortion pulling more women into progressive politics.
You mean where more young men are choosing to go into the trades, where women are generally harassed out of, instead of college?
Men are worse off today than previous generations
Men and women (in general) live longer and are more prosperous lives than they have for most of history. Yes, I know, rent is unaffordable. There are healthcare problems. Etc.
Crime is still historically low and lifespans are still historically high.
I’d say that makes men better off today.
That’s just not true, but I do see where the perception comes from. I am gen-X and raised well within peak chauvinism and toxic masculinity. Along the way, nation-wide sensibilities started to change and we are all better for it. The problem is that as we tried to right the wrongs, we as a society forgot to change the way we raised young boys. We began to raise our girls to be independent, demand respect and equality (all great things), but we forgot to stop raising our boys in a way that ties their self worth to sexual prowess, maximum aggression, ability to provide for a family, and all the other metrics that only apply to the old family centric, male dominated structures. Yes, we started to raise boys better now but change is slow and all those other boys now find themselves ill prepared and with a strong sense of entitlement to a world and way of life that simply doesn’t exist. Some boys/men adjust, but others are just throwing a tantrum. To those “men” all I can do is respond like someone raised in the old ways. “Stop being a fucking little whining removed, man the fuck up, and adapt! Show me that you aren’t worthless or shut the fuck up. Fucking baby.”
Society isn’t failing young men hard — let’s be more specific — Republican toxic masculine rhetoric is failing young men hard. There’s a reason there is so much overlap between MAGA and Inceldom, and it revolves around the false perception of what it means to be a manly man. They stifle their own emotions, yet rage on roids, get buff, and treat women like pieces of meat and then turn around and ask, “why can’t I connect with anyone!?” Well, because drank the bullshit kool-aid of Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan and Donald Trump and jumped fully onboard with frat-bro culture.
And let me just as a relatively young white male — you have no idea. You have no idea how hard it is for women right now all the same. After all, does the reversal of Roe really impact you or me the same way? Of course it doesn’t. And another thing: All the economic woes facing men are also facing women just the same, I hope you understand.
One key factor is changing whom they idolize. Time to start idolizing the likes of Tim Walz and not Andrew fucking Tate.
Who could ever know why men aren’t becoming as progressive as women, guess we will never know! Every refusal to acknowledge the issue, is cause for it to grow bigger.
Yes, I too could act like a dick and say ‘I have an issue!’
Yes, I too could respond to people saying that I’m being unreasonable by saying ‘it’s your fault!’
No, at no point am I doing anything but sabotaging myself because I feel entitled to being treated more leniently than everyone else.
Terrorism isn’t cool.
I said something irrelevant, mean-spirited, or hurtful and now the downvotes only reenforce my correctness!
How is what he says irrelevant? Perhaps it shows some bitterness. But what he says is overall correct. Just look at the stats, not just in the USA. PISA results
girls outperformed boys in reading by almost 30 score points, on average across OECD countries (Figure II.7.1). While girls outperformed boys in reading in every participating country
I have seen a bunch of special programs for woman (like to get them into STEM) over the years. But not even one for men. And special help for the boys quoted above? Nope.
This is not a men vs women things, it’s about everyone getting the help etc. they need, regardless of who they are. Rich, poor, male, female: Should all not matter.
There are special programs for both boys and girls. There just aren’t any boys-only programs.
Well you don’t see the programs to get men into the sciences because those were like societal shifts. For example, rewarding young male students who tried different things versus penalizing female students that engaged in outside the box thinking. For a more recent concrete example one can look to the field of economics. Women in economics actually face measured animus simply for their status as female.
You say you want everyone getting the help, but what I hear is a privileged class watching another class get more equal treatment or rights as somehow bringing you down.
“The Earth’s atmosphere is approximately 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen” is both a true statement, and utterly irrelevant to the subject at hand.
The topic was that society’s hostility towards women have made younger women voters identify as liberal at higher rates than previously, not how men are being oppressed/repressed/left behind/failed/whatever verb you want to use here. There are appropriate places to have that discussion; this topic isn’t one of them.
You’ve been fed a picture of a past that you did not live in, where men apparently were much better off. You should question that picture, make sure somebody isn’t just blowing smoke up your ass, whether because of rose-colored glasses or something more malicious.
WW1, the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, WW2, Vietnam… it’s hasn’t always been that great for a man. These are real things, they all happened in addition to any storybook pictures you might have in your head. Remember what our forefathers had to go through to get us here, it wasn’t all good things. It’s only fair then that we, too, have our hard times that we must face. We don’t need to tear other people down to overcome them.
No one’s burying their head in the sand. They’re reacting to the fact that it sounds here like you are resenting women for talking about their own oppression. It’s not zero sum my friend. We know patriarchy hates men too. This specific article just wasn’t really about that. There are other places on Lemmy that are talking more specifically about the issues you raise here, though.
Topic:
Women are voting more liberally because they don’t like conservative positions on abortion, guns, and the environment.
Weird dudes in this thread:
“Men are being left behind!”
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Wut.
Women really need to reevaluate their position on guns. Guns are a self defense tool and a great equalizer that will allow you to defend yourself and your family against a rapist or home invader twice your size and double your strength. Gun rights are women’s rights and empowerment for women.
Imagine being downvoted for thinking women should be able to protect themselves.
I understand how abortion and guns can/do have a womens exclusive perspective, but how is the environment a womens issue? By environment you mean things like climate change and pollution, right?
I can understand how liberals vs progressives would have different views…but I’m not grasping how men vs women would.
Burning fossil fuels and polluting is viewed as masculine, whereas caring about the environment is feminine, in a phenomenon sociologists have coined as Petro-masculinity. Think of those men who roll coal in their lifted trucks towards cyclists in lycra, who they view as “gay”.
Petro-masculinity: Fossil Fuels and Authoritarian Desire - Cara Daggett, 2018 - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0305829818775817
People are weird. I see nothing masculine or anti-masculine about recycling, or driving an electric car.
Like…it doesn’t even seem related to how tough you are. If anything the really masculine guy would be the one who rides his bicycle everywhere.
Really built calves. Leg muscles. Able to go 40mph from your legs alone. Isn’t that the real tough guy? Not the guy who gets into a large truck, and slightly presses a pedal downward.
Like I said. People are weird.
There’s a sense of “Caring about nature is effeminate and for wusses” in toxic masculinity.
Which I find extremely odd, since some traditionally masculine activities are nature oriented. Hunting, fishing, outdoorsy stuff in general. It wasn’t that long ago that (environmental) conservation was a huge component of those activities to ensure continued access for people to those activities. Maybe it still is but I certainly don’t get that impression as strongly anymore.
Caring about pollution is associated with wimpy electric cars instead of manly trucks, and the not manly activity of taking transit or cycling, and soyboy diets instead of steaks, and omg electric stoves, etc.
And I don’t understand that, because my wimpy electric vehicle will leave your archaic, noisy, pollution belching vehicle in the dust, and will do so in effortless silence
Ok, but what does this have to do with the article? You’re brining up a totally different topic.
A few of the women I work with who are vocal about their politics, will quite firmly point to how conservatives still engage in victim blaming if a woman gets sexually harassed or assaulted, to say nothing of rape/murder, to their reasons for going blue.
Their reproductive rights being curtailed while men old enough to be their father get viagra covered through their insurance telling them to just shut their legs is just a horrific bonus.
Well “conservative” (i.e. “Republican”) has shifted to such a weird place that people who aren’t weird probably feel compelled to call themselves “liberal” (probably meaning they’ll vote for Democrats).
If I could change the way we talk about politics, most labels would go away. Because to me, most people are either “conservative”, or “normal human with opinions”. I am only for using a label for conservatives because they fall in line, every goddamn time. Those motherfuckers basically all support Trump. If you want to be seen as an individual or as having a thought-out point of view, you do not get to support someone for whom a news outlet made a specific database to keep up with their tens of thousands of public lies. You do not get to support someone who brags about becoming a dictator and who praises dictators. I mean even just his history with women is enough, but his actions that ruin millions of lives should be unforgivable and unsupportable for nearly anyone. But they support that. So they don’t get to be individuals. Their support leads to legalized bigotry, suffering, and death. And there are other people, most of whom have at least some defensible views. Conservatives have none that I’m aware of.
Ahh cut the crap. The right swung away from women
Is it not true? Men make up most of the fascist party and most men are fascist. Unless someone has a counter point what else can we make of this?
