Like? Is anyone who starts a war a “war criminal” now?

If it’s because Russia’s killed civilians (whether intentionally or just because they didn’t care enough in pursuit of their military objectives), then, like, isn’t basically every Western leader + Biden a “war criminal”? How would you ever create a standard that could include him but not others?

And if they are all “war criminals” then why would you support one over the other? I don’t get this conversation.

And even if you had to, like, in what world would it make sense to think that Putin is worse than Netanyahu or the Western leaders who arm and support him?

The difference between a war criminal and a strong leader, in the eyes of the US political leadership, is only the difference between disobedience and obedience to American government policy. And American government policy is set by Wall Street.

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There’s not even a shred of logic involved. It’s literally just

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what world would it make sense to think that Putin is worse than Netanyahu or the Western leaders who arm and support him?

Propaganda is a hell of a drug

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War crimes are for those who lost the war. (But incidentally, on humanitarian wave, striking civilian infrastructure like power plants in ukraine is a warcrime; nato won in serbia, so that was okay) There is reality of warcrimes (something as written in books, everyone does it), and reality of proven warcrimes (something written by the victors in history books)

I mean as a leftie, sure he is a warcriminal, same as biden and scholz and starmer and cheney and bush and obama and blaire and de gaulle and mitterand etc

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How the fuck is Putin supposed to be a “war criminal”? Like? Is anyone who starts a war a “war criminal” now?

Yeah, if you start an aggressive war not for self-defense but for something like expansion that is a specific war crime under the Principle VI(a) of the Nuremberg Principles.

Are you asking for some particular reason?

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The Russian effort to resist further American regimechange in the region is absolutely defensive.

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if we want to be strict enough to characterize western leaders as war criminals Russia does not pass muster, particularly invading Crimea.

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Every poll, even ones conducted by Western orgs, showed that a strong majority of Crimeans wanted to join Russia after the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists took power in 2014. There was also a blowout election (which was predictably called illegitimate by the West). Annexing Crimea was one of the most defensible things Russia did.

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Yeah, Russia is neoliberal. They aren’t good guys. They are just the same as everyone else.

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