Please remove it if unallowed
I see alot of people in here who get mad at AI generated code and I am wondering why. I wrote a couple of bash scripts with the help of chatGPT and if anything, I think its great.
Now, I obviously didnt tell it to write the entire code by itself. That would be a horrible idea, instead, I would ask it questions along the way and test its output before putting it in my scripts.
I am fairly competent in writing programs. I know how and when to use arrays, loops, functions, conditionals, etc. I just dont know anything about bash’s syntax. Now, I could have used any other languages I knew but chose bash because it made the most sense, that bash is shipped with most linux distros out of the box and one does not have to install another interpreter/compiler for another language. I dont like Bash because of its, dare I say weird syntax but it made the most sense for my purpose so I chose it. Also I have not written anything of this complexity before in Bash, just a bunch of commands in multiple seperate lines so that I dont have to type those one after another. But this one required many rather advanced features. I was not motivated to learn Bash, I just wanted to put my idea into action.
I did start with internet search. But guides I found were lacking. I could not find how to pass values into the function and return from a function easily, or removing trailing slash from directory path or how to loop over array or how to catch errors that occured in previous command or how to seperate letter and number from a string, etc.
That is where chatGPT helped greatly. I would ask chatGPT to write these pieces of code whenever I encountered them, then test its code with various input to see if it works as expected. If not, I would ask it again with what case failed and it would revise the code before I put it in my scripts.
Thanks to chatGPT, someone who has 0 knowledge about bash can write bash easily and quickly that is fairly advanced. I dont think it would take this quick to write what I wrote if I had to do it the old fashioned way, I would eventually write it but it would take far too long. Thanks to chatGPT I can just write all this quickly and forget about it. If I want to learn Bash and am motivated, I would certainly take time to learn it in a nice way.
What do you think? What negative experience do you have with AI chatbots that made you hate them?
I’ve found it to be extremely helpful in coding. Instead of trying to read huge documentation pages, I can just have a chatbot read it and tell me the answer. My coworker has been wanting to learn Powershell. Using a chatbot, his understanding of the language has greatly improved. A chatbot can not only give you the answer, but it can break down how it reached that conclusion. It can be a very useful learning tool.
I’ve been using it for CLI syntax and code for a while now. It’s not always right but it definitely helps in getting you almost all the way there when it doesn’t. I will continue to use it 😁
When was it wrong? I am curious like how much wrong it was and what AI assistent you asked.
It’s really useful to quickly find the parameters to convert something in a specific way using ffmpeg.
Yes, me too, you can often ask it to explain it to a layman and it provides pretty easy to follow explanation
It’s great for regurgitating pre written text. For generating new or usable code it’s largely useless. It doesn’t have an actual understanding of what it says. It can recombine information and elements its seen before. But not generate anything truly unique.
That isn’t what the comment you replied to was talking about so that’s why you’re getting downvoted even though some of what you said is right.
The first sentence addressed what they talked about. It’s great as an assistant to cut through documentation to get at what you need. In fact, here’s a recent video from Perry Fractic doing just that with microtext for the C64.
Anything else like having it generate the code itself, it’s more of a liability than an asset. Since it doesn’t really understand what its doing.
Perhaps I should have separated the two thoughts initially? Either way I’ve said my piece.
Also if you are interested, here are those scripts I wrote with chatGPT
Lol this comment is the opposite of the code it’s trying to describe, https://gitlab.com/cy_narrator/lukshelper/-/blob/main/luksCreate.sh?ref_type=heads#L107
Sounds like it’s just another tool in a coding arsenal! As long as you take care to verify things like you did, I can’t see why it’d be a bad idea. It’s when you blindly trust that things go wrong.
A lot of the criticism comes with AI results being wrong a lot of the time, while sounding convincingly correct. In software, things that appear to be correct but are subtly wrong leads to errors that can be difficult to decipher.
Imagine that your AI was trained on StackOverflow results. It learns from the questions as well as the answers, but the questions will often include snippets of code that just don’t work.
The workflow of using AI resembles something like the relationship between a junior and senior developer. The junior/AI generates code from a spec/prompt, and then the senior/prompter inspects the code for errors. If we remove the junior from the equation to replace with AI, then entry level developer jobs are slashed, and at the same time people aren’t getting the experience required to get to the senior level.
Generally speaking, programmers like to program (many do it just for fun), and many dislike review. AI removes the programming from the equation in favour of review.
Another argument would be that if I generate code that I have to take time to review and figure out what might be wrong with it, it might just be quicker and easier to write it correctly the first time
Business often doesn’t understand these subtleties. There’s a ton of money being shovelled into AI right now. Not only for developing new models, but for marketing AI as a solution to business problems. A greedy executive that’s only looking at the bottom line and doesn’t understand the solution might be eager to implement AI in order to cut jobs. Everyone suffers when jobs are eliminated this way, and the product rarely improves.
Generally speaking, programmers like to program (many do it just for fun), and many dislike review. AI removes the programming from the equation in favour of review.
This really resonated with me and is an excellent point. I’m going to have to remember that one.
A developer who is afraid of peer review is not a developer at all imo, but more or less an artist who fears exposing how the sausage was made.
I’m not saying a junior who is nervous is not a dev, I’m talking about someone who has been at this for some time, and still can’t handle feedback productively.
They’re saying developers dislike having to review other code that’s unfamiliar to them, not having their code reviewed.
Many lazy programmers may just copy paste without thinking too much about the quality of generated code. The other group of person who oppose it are those who think it will kill the programmer job
Many lazy programmers may just copy paste without thinking too much about the quality of generated code
Tbf, they’ve been doing that LONG before AI came along
Sure, but if you’re copying from stack overflow or reddit and ignore the dozens of comments telling you why the code you’re copying is wrong for your use case, that’s on you.
An LLM on the other hand will confidently tell you that its garbage is perfect and will do exactly what you asked for, and leave you to figure out why it doesn’t by yourself, without any context.
An inexperienced programmer who’s willing to learn won’t fall for the first case and will actually learn from the comments and alternative answers, but will be completely lost if the hallucinating LLM is all they’ve got.
