My threat model is against mass surveillance. This is one of the hardest threat models to defend against and to justify, because (at least here in the US), mass surveillance has become normalized. I’ve heard people directly tell me that “privacy is weird.” I’m not here to shoot down the Nothing to hide argument literally labelled on Wikipedia as “a logical fallacy,” instead, I want to take my own approach to show just how unnatural mass surveillance is.

Picture this: Your best friend tells you that he heard rumors that someone put cameras in your house and was actively spying on you. That is super creepy, but you brush it off and say that nobody would do that, because who would care that much about you? However, when you get home, you look around and find multiple dozen hidden cameras everywhere. Think about how you’re feeling right now, knowing that you’re being watched. Even though you know that you’re being watched, but have no idea who has been watching you, what they have seen, or how long they’ve been watching you, it’s disillusioning and creepy to find out that what your friend said was true.

Then, you do some digging online and find out that everyone in your neighborhood is also being watched. Oh, it’s fine then, right? Suddenly it’s much better that you’re not alone. No! More surveillance is not a good thing. People fall into the false belief that as long as it’s not targeted surveillance or a personal attack that it’s suddenly fine, that you will just blend in with the noise. Your data is valuable, and spying in any capacity is NOT normal. Remember: The situation never changed, you are still being watched, you just found out that not only you, but everyone around you is also being spied on.

You still have no idea who is watching you, and it’s even worse to find out that it might not just be one person, that anyone can buy this data for cheap. Data like this can be used to stalk you, drain your bank account, read intimate personal texts, rig elections, manipulate you into buying things you never intended to buy, and so much more. This is the state of mass surveillance and it needs to stop. It’s not a conspiracy, the dystopia is today.

Mass surveillance is not normal. Privacy also isn’t normal: it’s a right, instead.

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Snowden is and always will be a hero.

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And, chelsea manning. I’d love to see more whistleblowers in the world. That’s the kind of mass sousveillance we need!

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He let us down too. Sidling up with Putin doesn’t put him in the hero position.

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9 points

uh wasnt his passport revoked mid flight and the plane landed in russia against his will?

hes been basically trapped there

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3 points

Hadn’t heard that.

If so, my mistake.

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7 points

Yes and no. Everywhere “Western” has an extradition treaty with the USA so there’s no point fleeing to any of those. Russia isn’t a great choice but if he values his freedom it’s probably the least worst option.

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Understood as I wrote the previous.

I just hoped, with all the data resources at his disposal, he’d find a better solution.

Hopes and prayers don’t go quite as far as we’d like, apparently.

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50 points

Lol there is a ring camera on every door and an Alexa in every home. Mass surveillance is so normal they got “normies” to pay for it monthly.

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There is a house that put a Ring camera on their fence… facing nothing but the public sidewalk and the properties of other people. Thankfully, they live on a common path for schoolers to walk home, who happily harass them by ringing it 100 times a day.

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5 points

Spray paint until it stops getting replaced

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I toyed with many ideas, spray paint being one of them, but outdoor cameras such as that are designed to be water resistant and the spray paint would simply bead up and do no damage. It’s not my place to force privacy on others, I will just hope that one day they will realize how much of an issue that camera is.

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6 points

Disappointing that the top comment is this dismissive take (whether or not it’s factually true).

If the best response we can muster is cynicism, we’ll get what we deserve.

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3 points

Sorry buddy, but we definitely deserve it. This is not Sparta.

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43 points

It has significant mental health and social effects, too. We need to start seeing these behaviors by governments and corporations the same way that we see similar actions by abusive people. Stalking and monitoring someone isn’t wrong only because a regular individual is the one doing it, it’s wrong because it’s fundamentally wrong. Such behaviors are designed to intimidate and control someone. It is absolutely unjustifiable on every level.

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Just last week, my partner and I were on a long hike. No one was around us so to loosen our muscles we started dancing like goofballs on the trail only to look up and find a drone hovering in the shadows recording us. I was embarrassed, but my partner is a very private person and was really upset. Surveillance is seriously getting out of hand. If things continue in this direction then I wouldn’t be surprised if people find a way to use powerful Lazer pointers to burn out cameras.

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10 points

time to work on your slingshot skills

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Where do you live that has surveillance drones on hiking trails?

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8 points

US northern midwest. That was the first time we had a drone just silently recording us so I am not sure what to make of it.

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9 points

Bootlickers got nothing to hide so that’s all that matters

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6 points

I think people who say this are having a very human panic response to something that none of us should ever have to deal with and that none of us can personally control.

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5 points

Many of these people are conservative and they seem to be lucking the proper constitution for “personal responsibility”

There are many things a person can do about it and some are quite effective.

With snark aside, you ain’t wrong and a lot of education to be done.

Every cloen incident we get more privacy, Foss, linux, Lemmy enjoyers…

Slow but steady.

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In all honesty, I believe it falls on each of us to educate as much people as possible in the actual dangers of mass surveillance and what are the potential options to minimize it’s impact.

For example, I’ve been advocating for privacy within my family, friends and other acquaintances for years now. Only recently have I managed to get my wife to start caring (some fearmongering was required) and have gotten a friend from church already on track to eliminating Google, Crapple, mainstream social networks and even self hosting. Some people at work have been reaching out to ask me how they can start moving away from the big tech overreach, and now even my kids have gotten their friends on Simplex, which have made some of their parents move to it as well.

Again, it’s taken me over 7 years to manage this little, but it’s something. If all of us keep doing this, avoiding getting to the point of annoying others (though I’ve annoyed quite a few persons with this, but whatever) more and more people will start moving in that direction.

Just getting some people to change from chrome to brave, which is one of the easiest things to do without making them change their streamlines, or move to Signal from SMS and WhatsApp, is already making headway.

If we get tired and stop preaching security, the surveillance wins. At least that’s how I see it.

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Define normal…

If you go by the definition of being the most common thing, the current surveillance capitalist dystopia is literally the new normal.

What you mean is that you feel it shouldn’t be normal. And you’re right. But sadly, it is now undeniably the norm.

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