60 points

I love how reporting things like this generates downvotes on the topic even though OP took the time to paste actual screenshots proving it to be true.

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I downvoted it because it’s not Onion-y as described in community rule 4:

would make people who see the headline think, “That has got to be a story from The Onion, America’s Finest News Source.”

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I mean call me crazy but I feel like a minister from a country trying to justify why he doesn’t see internationally recognized countries as actual countries is pretty Onion-y to me. The icing on top is that it’s coming from a minister in a country known for illegally stealing land and re-defining their own borders against international law.

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9 points

country doing more of what country has been doing

No, not particularly Onioney.

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It’s not the country’s he’s talking about. It’s the little areas of remote territory along Israel’s borders, that while technically part of those countries, they don’t resemble a country at all. There is no legit government. There is no law enforcement. There are no courts of law. They are essentially unincorporated territories held variously by local militias and tribes.

If Lebanon and Syria want to claim this territory as part of their country, they have to actually make it a part of a country, bring it under the jurisdiction of their law. Be legitimate leadership. Work towards the betterment of the people whose charge they claim.

Israel is not going to let it be surrounded by lawless territory that Iran uses to stage attacks against Israel, certainly not while Iran is over there trying to cook up nuclear material to make dirty bombs.

If you took even fifteen seconds to actually listen to the argument that’s being made, instead of only half, understanding it and rushing to an emotional judgment, you’d realize it doesn’t sound like The Onion at all. It’s an argument made by people all over the world, especially as to Gaza, for example, and, guess what? It’s a legit argument.

Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon, and sort of Syria, are not quite failed States, because they do still have a seat of power within their countries, and they do project that power to a limited extent. But they do not project it into these lawless border territories. And so when you have essentially gangs and terror cells, pretending to be legitimate political entities, how many suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and mass shootings must your neighbors abide before they bring their law to your territories? FAFO.

The historical term for such territories is irredenta, meaning unredeemed or unclaimed.

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4 points

That is fair, although if you read some of the newest Onion articles it definitely sounds like them.

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4 points

It’s pretty close to that.

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2 points

I mean I’d believe you if you told me it’s satire.

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those statements don’t prove anything, they just express his opinion on why those Arab states shouldn’t be considered countries, which is disputed by the overwhelming number of other countries who recognize those governments.

Israel does have a problem that a good chunk of their neighbors deny their right to exist. I’m not smart enough to know how to solve the problem, but I do know the solution is not “No, U”.

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Whether or not he proves anything is irrelevant. This is a minister of a country coming out and saying other countries don’t technically exist because he thinks so (and his logic is pretty dam stupid as well). It’s a pretty ridiculous and weird stance to take.

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3 points

damn, why do my neighbors dislike me? it totally can’t be years and years of apartheid, annexations, conquest, and targeted destabilization

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28 points

Welp, regardless of the very real issues in these countries, this is exactly the kind of rhetoric that precedes an invasion, as it did when Putin started publicly questioning Ukraine’s status as a country. This helps cement my assessment that Israel is going to go for a larger land grab with the pretext of building a buffer zone for the protection of its citizens.

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Israel be going down down to nazi town really quick. You know what they say, you either die a hero…

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8 points

still going? i thought they made it when they started spouting blood and soil, 14 words, “Gaza animals”, etc…

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I dont know when they were a hero. The IDF was designated terrorist organization from the start.

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But you can make a moral argument fot their terrorism against (former) Nazis in (more or less) hiding in my opinion.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

This is what the Founder of Zionism actually believes.

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5 points

Reminds me of something.

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3 points

I always say it’s wild when politician says “Jew has the right to a jewish state” coming from countries that work hard to separate church from state, and the country behave exactly as ISIS.

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There is a lot to critizize abt israel, but to say it “behave[s] exactly as ISIS” is just disengenous.

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1 point

“We will draw the line at Benin, because let’s not get ahead of ourselves.”

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1 point

What’s that. Serious question

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3 points

ISIS map, edited by them from a screenshot of the game Victoria 2.

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lol in their dreams fr

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25 points

He’s technically correct according to some schools of international politics.

But he’s saying this to casually connect Iran to a declaration of war on Israel. In all that blab he casually infers Hezbollah is an Iranian military unit and it declared war on October 8th. Which creates the question of a casus belli against Iran.

This is a propaganda technique where stuff like this is mentioned in passing by a bunch of different people. Our full attention is on the idea that he’s delegitimizing the surrounding countries. But that other bit slips past and if we hear something over and over without questioning it we can actually internalize it.

So that’s kind of scary to think about.

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They’re not going to stop land grabbing…

As long as they think America has their back. They’ll keep going.

And Biden has spent over 50 years saying he’ll always support them no matter what.

That geriatric old fuck needs out of office now. We can’t wait for January and he’s clearly lost all his marbles or he’d be the candidate.

There is real life shit going on and Biden has shown time and time again. He’s just not capable of handling it

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I mean it is the same with Putin, saying Ukraine is not a real country, he is not going to stop at Ukraine. Something similar might happen in Armenia too, things are becoming ugly.

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Biden is stuck with what life was like 70 years ago. Russia was the bad guys then so he treats them as the bad guys now at least.

But he’s gone on record saying his support of Israel is due to a promise he made his dad when he was six years old.

He’s just flat out not looking at things logically, it’s a joke that we’re still pretending he’s capable of running the country when he’s obviously not

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I am honestly not sure if it is Biden’s decision after I saw how cooked his brains were. More likely he just read whatever his party/vice president decided.

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5 points

Do you honestly think the people running for office are capable of “handling” this any differently?

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3 points

Sad part is Kamala or Trump won’t stop supporting Israel either.

Americans need to vote 3rd party but they never will do it.

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“You’re throwing your vote away!”

Expect that’s only true because of people that say that.

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