157 points

"went home, kicked sarumans ass for good, and then got to slamminā€¦

Oh right, the whole battle of the shire isnā€™t a thing because some dork chopped it and Tom bombadil completely out of a movie script.

What? Noā€¦ Iā€™m not bitterā€¦ much

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Theyā€™re saving it for the sequel, ā€œThe Shire, An Inconvenient Truthā€

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Thereā€™s still hope for a Tom Bombadil miniseries that resurrects those scenes. Whether it would be good is TBD, but maybe Amazon pulls an Andor and gives somebody the creative freedom to make it that way.

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Amazonā€™s made some half-decent shows, so itā€™s not completely unrealistic to imagine ā€¦

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ā€œSo we decided not to actually read any of the lord of the rings books and instead imagined what a guy named Tom Bombadil would be like and thought up some zany adventures for him to go on. We really think the audience will respond to his soon to be famous punch line, ā€˜Gabbana doodle muk muk.ā€™ Ahh old Tom ā€˜Cheddar Cheeseā€™ Bombadil what will you do next? Thatā€™s right we gave him the nick name Cheddar Cheese, people are going to love it.ā€

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Amazon has made some decent shows, but has Amazon made any decent adaptations? Rings of Power wouldnā€™t be completely awful for example if not for the butchering of the pre-existing lore.

Vox Machina is the closest they have, but thatā€™s kinda cheating, the VAs who originally created and played the characters in DnD are, naturally, the VAs for their characters on the show.

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Idk, I do wish Tom bombadill was in the movie since heā€™s probably my favorite character, but I was fine without the battle for the Shire.

It just seems too much too briefly even in the book, I think it would have been very difficult to include that organically in the movie.

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I feel like Tom Bombadil is an interesting mystery in the universe, but theyā€™re pretty easily cut out of the story without changing anything really other than getting rid of the question of ā€œwhoā€™s this weirdo that the ring doesnā€™t affect?ā€ The Scouring of the Shire is also arguably cut pretty easily, and I get why a lot of people donā€™t like it, but it seems more important to the themes in the book and to show how the heroes have evolved since they were last in the Shire.

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Iā€™m also fine with Tom not being in the movies, for exactly the reason youā€™re saying.

I also selfishly want him on screen just to stare at, Iā€™d love like a whole 45 minute cutscene or entirely separate production laboriously following the details of his actions and behavior that are in the book. I donā€™t even care that his ultimate nature is a mystery. Honestly, I just love his buoyant singing and style.

Did you read that theory about him being the song of the ainur? Itā€™s a great read. One of the nerd of the rings or other fans do a summary video of it on YouTube if you want to cut down the reading time.

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You should get to grey havens after carrying this pai n inside you for 20+ years

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The reason Sam could give up One Ring was because he wanted nothing more than a small garden to tend to. He never desired anything more. Hence, The Ring couldnā€™t tempt him.

Edit: To clarify, Sam never attempted to steal The Ring from Frodo. That is because Sam could resist the temptation of the ring because of his simple desires.

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I thought it was cuz he never directly carried it, at least not for long. If The Ring couldnā€™t tempt him, why couldnā€™t he be the one to carry it instead of Frodo?

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I think Sam wouldnā€™t have the conviction to get things done. He wasnā€™t the one who stood up and accepted the ring at the council. Sam was loyal and didnā€™t have lofty desires, but he didnā€™t have the spirit of adventure and perseverance that Frodo had. He was the perfect ally to help Frodo, but he wouldnā€™t have made a good Ring bearer himself.

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6 points

sams greatest threat is gollum and frodoā€™s greatest threat is everything else.

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Unless Tolkien addressed this in one of his letters (I really wouldnā€™t be surprised), we donā€™t know for sure, but my guess would be that Samā€™s resistance was mostly temporary. He could carry it for a short while without succumbing, and he could be around frodo for the whole journey with no issue, but heā€™d have eventually succumb to it.

Also worth noting that itā€™s heavily implied that the whole thing was predestined by Eru, and so with that in mind, it makes perfect sense that Frodo carries it instead of Sam, because

A) if Sam carried it, itā€™s unlikely he would have trusted Gollem, and his ā€œhelpā€ was required in several ways to get the job done

B) Frodo being the carrier + Sam as his sole ally, while not intended by the council of Elrond, turned out to be a formidable match, thanks to Samā€™s resistance to the ring and his loyalty to Frodo. Idk if when push came to shove, Frodo would have been quite as loyal to Sam as Sam was to Frodo (not with the ring doing itā€™s thing afterall.

Its also worth noting that Tolkien had some kinda weird views about the whole ā€œservant & landed gentryā€ dynamics, as can be seen in just about every dialogue between Sam and Frodo lol - Sam being the effective leader, despite being a humble gardener and Frodo being basically a Lord in hobbit terms isnā€™t something Tolkien was likely to write

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I like this idea. Is it canonical?

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Not entirely. Sam was tempted, and if he possessed the ring long enough he would have been overcome like any other, but his Hobbit-sense saved him in that one small moment:

"ā€œAs he stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, and vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordorā€¦ā€

"Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-durā€¦ He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. "

"In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. "

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35 points

The One Ring fucked up. It needed to tempt him with a mountain of PO-TA-TOES.

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Thank you very much for the disclaimer and the quotes, they explain a lot. Are there any clues in the text that gandalf knew exactly what he was doing when he chose Sam to accompany frodo. With respect to this honest sense, Sam has?

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In the book, when he was carrying it temporarily for Frodo, the Ring did tempt him. He saw himself at the head of a vast garden, a garden rivaling nations, one that would be free of society and allowed to grow endlessly. The feelings of conquest were justified immediately by the retaking of nature.

Not too bad of a temptation, I dare say.

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Geez, thereā€™s so much I either missed or conflated with the movies since reading the series. Someone else included the quote where he just wants to be a small gardener with his own garden, but I donā€™t remember the garden to rival nations although it rings a bell.

Oh, found it, ā€œand then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his ownā€

Thatā€™s great, thanks.

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The Ring tried to tempt him like you pointed out, but because he only wanted to tend to a small garden, he never attempted to steal The Ring from Frodo unlike Boromir.

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67 points

Slammed prime Hobbitussy

Thatā€™s gotta be a brand new sentence

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No one wanted to think about it given the amount of ill placed hair hobbits have.

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Ok, Iā€™ll bite: WOMEN ALSO HAVE HAIR THERE.

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No sir, I imagine all alpaca sweaters sleeve pulled inside out and rumpled up.

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5 points

With balls that big, Iā€™m surprised he didnā€™t have 20 children at one go.

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52 points

Side character

Definitely the main character.

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Tolkien said that Sam is actually the hero in LOTR

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Thatā€™s fine. Sam didnā€™t do it for the fame, he just did it for his friend Frodo.

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