30 points

Literally the only thing I can agree with sunak on. Good.

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It’s just a distraction from the UK’s anemic growth. Obviously he has done nothing that worked for the economy, and the conservatives have no ideas. The UK GDP has basically not grown since 2007.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=GB&start=2007

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15 points

Not everything is a distraction tactic

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This is. Conservatives were elected to help the economy in 2010 and have managed less than 2% growth since then. I have no idea why they weren’t thrown out on their asses after Brexit, but maybe the British public love pain and misery?

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Without a doubt it is a dead cat issue (no pun intended). Sunak doesn’t give a rat’s anus about the people of the UK. There is plenty of evidence that his interests are purely financial and self motivated. But that doesn’t deflect that there is an issue, and yet again they are making pointless legislation to deal with it.

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2 points

Not everything is a dead cat.

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A total waste of time. Banning breeds has proven to be totally ineffective in the past. The common sense approach would be to make it mandatory to muzzle dogs over a certain size.

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26 points

There are massive differences between implementing a ban on pit bulls in a single city (Denver) and across an entire nation (the UK). The US is such a mess of federal, state, county, etc. laws that it is difficult to enforce such a law, but in the UK, it’s much easier.

Honestly I’d go a lot further and ban all breeds with significant health issues as well, to be honest.

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Also if they actually banned with KOS (which would be terrible for many reasons, but still) then it would work in a us city, but anything where landlords and such are the “gatekeeper” will never work

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1 point

You should probably read the whole article before dismissing it. Easily the most sensible thing I’ve seen written about this.

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It is just as difficult and ineffective in the UK. They just breed in new types of dogs. The XL breed is a cross breed with a pit bull terrier which is already on a banned breed list.

I would be for banning breeds with health issues. I would also ban all dog shows that promote dog breed types into the bargain. You will never stop idiots who follow celebrities, but dog shows are an easy fix, and a major reason people buy pedigrees in the first place.

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16 points

Nah mate, these dogs are fucking disgusting freaks. I’ve been chased by one before - quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck what your research says.

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My point was that all dogs are dangerous. Selecting breeds shows total lack of understanding. It is how the dog is reared that causes the issues. Since you cannot evaluate that by looking at a dog then it makes more sense to add a safety device for all dogs.

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11 points

Totally not a biased source, with no actual statistics or studies to back them up - ah right. We have much fewer dog attacks and especially fatal dog attacks in the UK than the US.

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This report gives the opinions of expert behaviourists and consultants on the reasons why some dogs may be aggressive towards people. Of the 215 experts who responded, some 74% argued that breed was either not at all important or only slightly important, whilst an overwhelming 86% believed it was due to the way that the dog was brought up by its owner.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/90096/html/

The law on dangerous dogs refers to specific breeds of dog as ‘dangerous’. However, we believe that breed-specific legislation ignores the most important factors that contribute to biting incidents – primarily anti-social behaviour by irresponsible dog owners who train their dogs to be aggressive or do not train their dogs adequately.

https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/about-us/campaigns/dangerous-dogs-deed-not-breed/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/11/banning-some-dog-breeds-in-the-uk-wont-stop-attacks-on-humans - study in comments

There is a ton of research on the issue.

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2 points

Muzzles aren’t gonna help when the dog escapes

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24 points

Curious to know what they intend to do with the Bully XLs currently owned legally.

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52 points

Same as when they last banned a breed. They must all be registered, muzzled, and neutered. If not, fines/seizure and possible imprisonment of the owner.

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16 points

A perfectly reasonable way to sunset the breed.

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Apart from because it’s not a real bread, people will argue that it’s not a bully wasting police time and effort having to seize and then categorise… time and money an already skint police force aren’t going to want to do

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It’s reasonable to make a dog wear a muzzle the rest of its life despite having a good temperament? I disagree.

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16 points

Good job UK, for once

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It’s not the breed, it’s the owner

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7 points

Both.

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6 points

Nobody needs a dog that powerful.

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10 points

And rather, few people can control a dog that powerful once it gets serious. I very much believe that these dogs are peaceful and nice most of the time. But what about the times they are not? Who can hold them back and stop them? They were bred to not stop attacking, bred for incredible strength. They are not evil, they do what they were made for, but sadly that what they were created for is incompatible with a family dog.

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So I read this article recently, and it suggested that some American breeders think there’s specific issues with the breeding line of XLs that are bred in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/aug/16/the-alarming-rise-of-american-bully-xl-dogs-if-one-gets-hold-of-you-youre-in-trouble

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0 points

You cant ban people

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14 points

Good.

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7 points

Finally. Took them long enough.

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