59 points

Either way, change is needed. And electing a fascist is going to make change more difficult.

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Idk, “after Hitler, our turn” worked out good for those people last century

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You mean it worked out for the people he didn’t eradicate

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This was sarcasm. It in fact was not them after Hitler because he was a dictator who killed them. The idea that we should sit out this election to punish Dems is fucking idiotic because fascist authoritarians tend to clean house of people they dislike.

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Would you rather push a boulder up a hill… or up a sheer cliff face while stormtroopers at the top are shooting at you and rounding up everyone who could help and putting them in camps?

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Exactly. Thank you.

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Kamala is a fascist currently committing genocide.

Trump is also fascist.

The system is working exactly as intended and must be destroyed.

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Trump wants to get rid of your ability to choose. Kamala doesn’t.

Trump wants them to ramp up the collateral damage. He WILL make it worse. Kamala wants a ceasefire.

If you want the system to change, vote for Kamala and then convince people it needs to change.

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That puts you in the top image of the meme saying “the system is broken and must be fixed”

But I’ve been here before which is why I’m in the bottom image.

There is no “vote for lesser evil then work from the inside to make change” All that leads to is an even worse lesser evil next time around

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No political system is perfect. Ever.

They require constant vigilance. They require battling. Human greed is capable of corrupting every system that a human mind can create.

Anyone that tells you they have a perfect political system that would never need fixing is a liar, an idiot, or both.

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“Revolution only ever results in a change of masters”

“One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.”

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“Revolution only ever results in a change of masters”

Haiti would like to talk to you.

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Slavery finished, replaced with forced labour and serfdom? That Haiti?

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Ok, why not create a human system that’s not succeptible to greed by introducing usufruct property relations?

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I read up on it, but I’m not sure how that’s immune to greed. Are you able to explain?

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There’s a limit on how much stuff you can “own” and actually use. If you don’t use it, you don’t own it anymore.

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Anyone who tells you that thinks they’d profit from that new system.

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Maybe, but “profit” can mean “just lead a basic live with basic dignities instead of being in abject poverty”

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And I think social democracy (which we need to fix) is the answer to that.

I think a lot of people like to LARP they’re the rebel alliance that’re going to defeat the evil empire and the ewoks will celebrate, not remembering the last few times the ewoks ended up first on the trains (purges, holodomor, GLP/CR, Khmer Rouge).

At the end of the day, in power structures, without a firm mechanism to counter, the most evil people generally rise to the top. Very familiar with this in my actual life experience which I’m going to guess most MLs don’t have.

For instance, after the McD merger, marketing and finance execs slowly displaced engineers at the top and steered the companies away from doing their jobs and towards what you could call “ideological purity”, ie short-term cash at any cost. Intel was similar, as was the USSR and PRC.

In the west, those companies are a smaller part of a whole, and if things go properly, they fail, an example is made, hopefully new management is brought in to replace them and recover the company.

In an authoritarian regime the whole country sinks or swims, hence NK is screwed. Russia actually had a great renaissance under Khrushchev, who helped recover most of the worst damage wrought by Stalin, until the idiot Brezhnev struck for ideological purity again and destroyed all that work. Gorbachev looked to be trying to fix that, but it was far too late.

Communists fail because they demand all eggs be under one basket, and as Rome showed us, you can have good Emperors, you can’t have unlimited good emperors, sooner or later you’ll get a political moron like Brezhnev or Xi and everything will fall to pieces.

It’s why capitalists go on and on and on about “diversifying your portfolio” so no one bet ever kills you.

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I’ve come back around to the thought that even by the metric of working as intended, the system is broken

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As long as you can vote, the system can be fixed. If you don’t vote the system may get to a point where it can’t be fixed.

If you want that outcome go watch the movie Civil War. You’re likely to be one of the people in that refugee camp, or maybe in a mass grave because you’re the “wrong kind of American”. That’s the kind of shit that happens when the system is destroyed.

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Um, excuse me, this is a circle jerk. Get out of here with your facts.

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Where do you see a circlejerk? Everyone is dunking on the post.

Edit: The haters/downvotes prove me right.

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go watch the movie Civil War.

I want my 2 hours back.

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People that romanticize civil wars and revolutions often hate that movie. But that’s exactly the kind of person it was made for. Radical politics don’t accomplish all that much other than getting a lot of people killed.

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It’s just not a very good movie, IMO. Pacing is bad, and they bent over backwards trying to not offend people. Some context or lore would’ve made the movie more interesting. I understand why they did this, but it doesn’t make for a good movie. A ton of other movies have done what they were trying to accomplish much better (albeit, in different settings than the modern U.S.); The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is one of my favorites.

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As long as you can vote, the system can be fixed. If you don’t vote the system may get to a point where it can’t be fixed.

Read the bottom text again.

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Yep the current capitalist world order benefits infinite extracting moneyed interests by mass exploitation and it must be completely destroyed.

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10 points

I prefer the term “technofeudalism”

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Let us hold hands and nuke ourselves I guess.

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