31 points

Well, that’s neat.

But where is that really relevant? Typical albedo of anything around a solar panel seems to be like around .2, meaning that these cells which have 23% efficiency on the front, and ~21% on the back.
Solar Irradiance is usually less than 7kWh/m²day.
So this Panel could get around 1.6kWh/m²day on the front and 0.3kwH/m²day on the back.

Isn’t cost way more relevant than getting a few more % efficiency?

As long as “we” (as in humanity) can’t afford to put solar panels on the top of every/most surfaces that we build, it seems that driving down the cost is more paramount.
Luckily that is happening too though

permalink
report
reply
32 points
*

Bifaciality isn’t new or limited to perovskite based PV. Ground reflection is also not the only source of indirect light.

This article is very bad, but bifacial panels are starting to dominate the industry for good reason. The backside gives a 5-20% boost in total annual yield (which is worth it on its own), but more importantly that boost is skewed towards times with low direct irradiance (such as cloudy days). This reduces the amount of storage required.

It also allows other orientations. Vertical installations have huge advantages including better compatibility with agrivoltaics, generation skewed towards times where low tilt panels don’t produce (morning-evening for east-west and winter for north-south), better dual use, and lower racking cost. Glass-glass encapsulisation is also more durable and this alone pays for most of the added cost.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Thanks for the background. My panels are dual glass encapsulated but not bifacial – not that I would be able to profit from it anyway.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

I would hope that there’s enough people on this so that different teams can develop solutions for different problems at the same time.

permalink
report
parent
reply
23 points
*

This is nothing new, bifacial solar panels are on the market for well over a year now…

e.g. https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/06/08/jolywood-unveils-black-bifacial-module/

Cheap and readily available…

permalink
report
reply
20 points

Read past the (admittedly misleading) headline. This article is about double-sided perovskite solar panels, which is apparently just a better material, and maybe it benefits more from the double-sided structure? Not sure of the specifics, but they’re saying efficiency can reach 30%, which is a lot higher than your example.

permalink
report
parent
reply
13 points

Hmm, I talked with grid solar people who’ve been using this for a while about a year ago. Maybe this is a new version? Anyway, they were saying that it really helps in the winter when you can harvest the reflected light from the snow. But doesn’t do a ton usually.

permalink
report
reply
5 points

If it helps with snow, white paint or light coloured concrete should work fine too. No?

As the planet warms, we’ll increasingly need to paint flat roofs white anyway.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Yeah, but the people I was taking to worked in grid scale rather than utility scale, so in fields rather than buildings. You’d want to avoid paving over the whole field for cost, but also avoiding huge runoff. They are often also renting the fields for 20 to 30 years rather than buying them outright, so paving over the whole thing wouldn’t be appreciated.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Plant daisies, or graze white sheep under them :)

permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points
*

TLDR; the front side is 23% efficient, and the rear side 20% efficient.

They don’t actually give an overall efficiency but it implies a total of 43%. They compare this to typical panels also at 23% efficient, so it’s really remarkable if true. Other emerging solar tech is up to about 32% but if that could also benefit from multiple layers then total efficiency could become insane.

Seems a little too good to be true, really, but great if so.

Edit: Yeah, I don’t think these efficiencies can be added like that. I guess the overall efficiency will depend on how reflective the ground under the panels is, and they will extract 20% of that. Maybe that’s why they don’t give an overall rating.

permalink
report
reply
19 points

I don’t think you can just add up efficiency percentages like that…

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

Sure you can. That’s why a UV lamp shining at the six 20% solar panels that power it can run your FTL drive.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

Just need another sun on the opposite side

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

I think you’re right there. My bad.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

You double(ish) the surface area. So 23% efficient front panel + 20% rear panel.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

They say the second layer retains 93% of the performance of the first using reflected light, making it 20% efficient, so, yes they are added in that case.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

There isn’t nearly as much light coming from the back, so you won’t get that much efficiency improvement

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

I have also invented double-sided paper which holds vastly more information.

permalink
report
reply
6 points

I can wipe with both sides now?

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Yes, just remember to wash your hands 93% more.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Technology

!technology@lemmy.ml

Create post

This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.


Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.


Rules:

1: All Lemmy rules apply

2: Do not post low effort posts

3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff

4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.

5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)

6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist

7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed

Community stats

  • 3.6K

    Monthly active users

  • 2.6K

    Posts

  • 41K

    Comments

Community moderators