If one chats/mails with a person using Windows, despite using secure private protocols, every message will be stored by Microsoft’s Windoze Recall. Either I’m missing something but this feature seems like the most grotesque breach in online privacy/security.

What are ways to avoid this except for using obfuscated text?

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Can’t control what other people do so you might be out of luck.

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It’s more about what Microsoft enforces—spyware—than what other people do.

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I meant you can’t stop then from using Recall.

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Yes, and that’s a valid concern, but there’s no good answer here. That’s why it’s such a problem. From now on, one of the most widely used operating systems in the world is going to be harvesting data from any and everything that appears on it. Meaning any software you use to send any form of electronic communication, if a Windows computer opens it, and the user either hasn’t bothered or doesn’t know how to disable recall, your information has been harvested by Microsoft.

There’s just no way to limit or avoid this. We need regulation.

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If it leaves your device, you cannot control it.

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Right but you could at least be reasonably sure it wouldn’t be outright spied on from the person you’re sending it to. Now it’s almost a guarantee.

Like if I sent something to a friend of mine, I can be fairly certain it wouldn’t end up in the wrong hands unless they got compromised.

Now everyone that isn’t actively managing their own windows installation is absolutely compromised, as a rule.

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If you tell something to someone else, assume it’s compromised.

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“Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead.”

(Even then I’m not so sure)

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Turn off your computer, move to a cave in the mountains, and abandon society.

A bit extreme but there is nothing you can do to stop your messages from appearing on Windows machines except not sending them to anyone who might view them on Windows machines…which will definitely be nearly impossible in 2024

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Works great until some hikers take a photo with you in the background, that gets backed up to iCloud, then they want to show the photo to a friend, download it to their computer, open it and BOOM, Microsoft AI knows your face

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I couldn’t wait to post this obligatory fragment of Parks and Recreation - Ron vs. Online Privacy: https://youtu.be/8xn1rO1oQmk

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Don’t forget that while they managed the PR better, apple “Intelligence” also has access to damn near everything on your devices.

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Yet there’s no backlash because they’re not so stupid as to say “we’re gonna take screenshots as you go so we can improve your digital life kthxbye”.

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“Private cloud” as if that isn’t an oxymoron.

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And the fact that Apple Intelligence is just OpenAI

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People also willing submit to the cult if Apple and just believe everything they say. People are likely more frequently forced to use windows due to work or just the lack of choice for less technically confident people.

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