I had a discussion with @Cowbee@lemmy.ml recently where they insisted that Anarchists on Hexbear accept Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism and therefore all support “Actual Existing Socialist” states such as Cuba, USSR and I guess North Korea as well.

In fact, they argued it’s the reason most anarchists of Hexbear don’t like to discuss anarchism away from hexbear, explicitly because outside anarchists do not support “AES”.

So I’m curious to see what your thoughts are on this. If you’re an anarchist who supports “AES” how do you square this support with the conflict these states have with anarchist theory on hierarchy?

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AES is a solid symmetric encryption standard. I support the use of it. However I think you might be referring to something else?

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“Actually Existing Socialism”

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I support worker co-ops for sure.

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Yeah worker owned businesses are lit. As are communes.

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It’s also a power company

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From what I’ve gathered, Hexbear is just incredibly tankie driven. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are self-proclaimed “anarchists” on there that are just tankies painted black, du to social pressure.

As many have pointed out: anarchists usually don’t support “AES”. The spectrum I’ve seen ranges from “1917 was actually a bourgeois revolution” to “they tried but got corrupted in some way”.

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> “Actually existing socialism”

> look inside

> capitalism, but the state is the capitalist

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Every time, without issue. “My capitalism cool because it’s red!”

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What? Anarchism is generally anti-statist and socialists sure love to shoot anarchists. By the logic of AES, Anarchists should support Assad and not the YPG since one is “anti-imperialist” and the other exists due to US military support.

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Hey I’m as confused as you are. Which is why I opened this thread.

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definitely sounds like tankie shit. glad we’re on the same page.

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There’s a ton of ways to be an anarchist and the diversity of ideas is something generally celebrated, but the one minimum requirement is that you aren’t supportive of states (and hierarchy of course, but I’m just talking about the literal meaning of anarchy here), especially authoritarian states…

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