Now tell the not romanticized portion, where people get to know the average cow is not friendly nor playful towards humans.
Whether we treat animals fairly shouldn’t depend on whether they’re friendly or playful towards humans.
Still, every cow looks curious and investigative. And even if they’re skittish, they’re still much more trusting towards humans than we deserve. If the cow understood what was really happening, it would be horrified of the monsters that humans are towards cows.
Unsure if I fully agree. On one side, yeah cows are exploited. But they get a safe life, with medicine and treatment for illness and physical issues (hooves). Access to food without concern of predators, safe place to sleep and give birth.
Cows are one of the most successful animals in the world because they’re a resource for humans. They are not allowed to go extinct.
I’d say humans are by far the best thing that happened to any domesticated animal.
Now please stop blaming yourself and your entire species for existing.
Are we supposed to lay on the ground and die because we require animal products to live?
Let’s stop being stupid or coy and assume we either eat meat and animal products and are willing to pay the moral and material price for it or want to whitewash our conscience by making a life of blaming others for just being alive.
Now look at what humans do to cows, or even to other humans. We commit atrocities at a scale that no other species has ever achieved. According to your logic, humans deserve to be treated even worse than cows.
If I wasn’t clear, I’m claiming for the not so pretty side of the story to be told; people tend to romanticize everything, especially when it comes to animals.
I am not in favour, to any degree, to animals being mistreated and/or abused to any degree, regardless if those same animals are a food source.
Raising animals for food is not incompatible with caring and making all humanly possible efforts to assure the animals live a good life.
Raising animals for food is not incompatible with caring and making all humanly possible efforts to assure the animals live a good life.
People won’t ever stop buying from factory farms as long as it’s socially acceptable, or cheaper options with a close enough taste become available.
“Nearly 99 percent of farmed animals in the US are factory farmed. There are around 250,000 farms in the US. Every day, 23 million land animals are killed on these farms – around 266 every second”
https://animalequality.org/blog/2022/10/14/factory-farming-facts/
I don’t know a single meat eater that doesn’t eat factory farmed meat, including my former self. Do you really believe that people will suddenly start asking about living conditions in restaurants and supermarkets, pay a higher price, and boycot all factory farmed animal products? Speaking of romantizing. This seems like a complete fantasy to me. The vast majority will always buy the cheapest options they can find, no questions asked.
Defending the notion that systematic exploitation is fine, as long as you stab them “humanely” in the throat, provides the ideological basis for treating animals as products, reducing the cost by treating them as worst as possible. Like most people do right now.
As I see it, the only realistic way to end factory farming is if either plant-based meat alternatives or lab-grown meat are produced on a large scale to become price competitive. Which seems to be where things are going for many meat categories, although customer acceptance still has a long way to go.
IME cows were big, dumb and not at all interested in people. Pigs on the other hand have very clear personalities.
Every and any animal has a personality; you just need more time to discover it on some species than others.
Cows can be very tame, if from a milk breed, and brutal pointy ended stomping and biting machines if from beef breeds.
Pigs are not tame, at all. I’ve raised potbelly pigs and they could absolute sweets or complete assholes capable of biting or headbutt you without warning. It’s the only farm animal that can revert to feral state.
And chickens know they were once dinossaurs. Get them in sufficient numbers and they become dangerous. Ever seen a fox afraid inside a chickencoop? I have; at a 100:1 ratio, the poor fox was hoping for a fine meal but was instead made a meal.
I have more experience with pigs than anything else so I’ll take your word for it.
Cool, that means we can put them in a cage and eat their children vrfore we eat them. Thanks man.
Fitting slogan i heard at fridays climate strike:
“For the climate, change your diet! Eat! - The! - Rich!”
Hehe, we like meat so much that we’re going to ignore the fact that it destroys the environment and continue farming and eating it like there is still a billion of us on this planet. Also, the prices must be low but i don’t care that living beings are raised in hellish conditions for our convenience. We made it illegal to record those conditions so we don’t have to look at them. Meat delicious, I deserve it three meals a day because look at my prosperity.
I know it’s a cliché, but say this on Reddit and you’ll be downvoted into oblivion. Tried it many times. Criticize meat and seemingly reasonable people suddenly start making the same circular arguments they usually mock.
People consider themselves good people and don’t like thinking about the consequences of their actions.
Same happens when you point out that children lose their limbs for our smartphones. People aren’t going to stop using their smartphones, aren’t going to consider themselves bad people, and so will rationalize however they can.
AKA the Bullshit Bingo!
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Yeah. It’s the usual nonsense habits of people that they will defend to their dying breath
Well good for you. Harr harr harr, what a knee slapper.
Continue to ignore the cognitive dissonance of the murder of a sentient being that is “cute” and “cool” so you can pleasure yourself.
Hopefully people will see this for what it is one day. It’s a crime. Not long ago men joked to themselves about how beautiful and nice women were before they raped them. Slaves weren’t considered human at one point.
I’m not gonna get too high on my horse, because I used to eat meat, but at least had the dignity to not proudly proclaim my stupid choice to assuage the nagging doubt underneath.
Is it murder when you are biologically designed for hunting and eating meat? Unlike the other situations you mentioned I can point to a ludicrous amount of evidence that your body is made to sometimes eat animal proteins.
Whether we should regularly consume animal products or whether our methods of farming animals is sustainable us a different issue, and IMO is the most compelling argument as it is the only thing as an individual you can do to really combat climate change.
Unlike the other situations you mentioned I can point to a ludicrous amount of evidence that your body is made to sometimes eat animal proteins.
The experts would disagree.
It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.
Over 90% of the human diet has always been plant-based until very recently.
You were also biologically “designed” (you religious btw?) to murder and rape.
And you were certainly not biologically “designed” to go down to the grocery store to buy a huge slab of red flesh in a plastic container to go along with your doritos.
Appeal to thousands of years of history… which is filled with murder, rape, war, enslavement, and endless other crimes. We are capable of evolving as a species.
Recipes ain’t the problem. It’s butchering. How do I get the steak out
