No free trade without free movement!
Replace “Liberals” with “Literally everyone except middle school history flunk-outs” and you got yourself a real meme going there.
Horseshoe Theory in action
This has so completely disappeared from discourse over the past four years. I remember when it used to be that “building the wall” was stupid at best and bigoted at worst. But now, it’s all, “Of course we agree that we need a strong border, but we’re the ones who will actually do it.”
It’s always the Republicans that get to set which values and goals the country persues, while the Democrats just run on pragmatism and efficiency. It’s like they’re allergic to making moral claims.
Oh, oh no, no no no no no, No. this isn’t a one party system, this is something far worse, this is what comes exactly right before a one party system. That is a two radicalized polarized adversarial party system. One must go but neither will leave willingly, there is more concentration of money and power in these two parties than possibly any other group on earth and maybe through out all history, make no mistake the only thing that will hold the country back from civil war is the Bomb, and that is only a maybe.
We might not quite be that bad yet but all the peaces are in place and adversarial moves are already being made.
it’s really not one party.
To be clear we have one party, that is effectively fascist, and another party that is, center left/right and very moderate.
An important party of governing is listening to constituents. They border is the second highest concern of voters (behind the economy) and an overwhelming majority want stricter border controls. Being a good public servant involves listening to the public.
So, the Democrats don’t listen to the majority of voters when they want free education, Medicare for All, or an arms embargo on Israel, but when it comes to stricter border controls, they’re all ears for some reason.
but when it comes to stricter border controls, they’re all ears for some reason.
well there’s a really obvious reason for this one.
Currently the border asylum processing chain is incredibly swamped, up the point of multiple years of backlog, which is why temporary status citizens are a thing. Though not to the same degree as the UK. The whole point behind border control and immigration policy is to fix this problem, actually push the asylum cases for these people through, and get them real citizenship (or not, and get rid of them, that’s how it works.)
This is arguably a human rights issue.
So, the Democrats don’t listen to the majority of voters when they want free education,
we have free state education, primary education only though. Republicans want to get rid of this, i don’t think you’ll see kamala harris saying she doesn’t want it. Though free secondary education is obviously the implication here, i figure it’s worth pointing out.
Medicare for All
biden has done numerous things for healthcare in his term. Same for obama, though again, not universal socialized healthcare, so not really the implication but it’s worth noting.
or an arms embargo on Israel
i’m not going to talk much about this because i keep getting banned over these topics for some reason. But idk how much popular support there is for this one, i haven’t looked at polling, i wouldn’t be surprised if it was a popular position though. That very well might be the case, however if you’re asking why the US is supporting Israel, the answer is that it’s militarily strategic. That’s the unfortunate but real answer there.
Which polls show an “overwhelming majority” want stricter borders? Source please.
Tbh I expect that some people are more hawkish on the border now than before because the Democrats switched tacts, and not the other way around, but regardless I haven’t seen any evidence that shows what you’re claiming.
Polls do show a majority is in favour of some currently proposed border measures. “Overwhelming” is a bit much, but that might refer to people in favour of a stricter border policy but not necessarily in favour of the currently proposed measures.
I have never once heard and have not been able to imagine an explanation of how not having borders could possibly work.
All immigration is a net positive to the economy in a number of different ways, and most of “problems” are caused by material conditions created by having classes of citizens versus non citizens. The US basically had open borders for much of its history and that’s a big reason why it became such an industrial powerhouse.
The original idea behind physical border control has more to do with espionage and sabotage than restricting immigration.
Well, they used to kill each other not so long ago. Look at the 20th century (or any previous one) - they hated each other. They’ve opened lots of borders since then and it was a gradual process with lots of negotiations and conditions. I’m sure you don’t think it’s possible to open a border without proper preparation.
They have a lot of borders.
They’re similar to the US under the Articles of Confederation. Separate states with free passage among them. Going from France to Germany is effectively the same as going from Georgia to Tennessee.
EU has borders though, it just functions like the United States does (in a republican wet dream) in that it’s a conglomerate of a bunch of “states”. ask the UK fucks that get kicked out of Spain now. No borders inside the territory but there’s absolutely borders on the outside.
A example that’s not borderlessness, but still interesting, was the Behind the Bastards episode on Harlan Crow which talked about how there was seasonal migration of people from Mexico into the US during peak agricultural seasons. They would return to Mexico in the winter, but the introduction of a hard border incentivized people to remain in the US.
It seems the hardening the border lead to the exact thing Harlan Crow and the other racist trash were trying to fight, increased immigration.
Simple. In the past there is no “border”. You are someone from Frankfurt who came to Paris to set up business and there was no question asked.
Notice how there is no border between your town and the next one? Same, but on a larger scale.
Yes, but the next town over is protected by the same military, is under almost exactly the same laws, is covered by essentially the same tax system, and so-on.
If you’re suggesting eliminating borders once there’s one world government covering every country and a planetwide tax system, then sure. Until then, it seems like it would be a disaster.
There’s the border, then there’s The Border. One is a line drawn on a map for administrative purposes, sometimes comes with its own road sign. The other is a checkpoint where your documents are handed over and you’re at the mercy of the border authority. Usually doesn’t happen between towns, but those are pretty popular in places like Soviet Germany, apartheid South Africa and the West Bank for example.
