2 points

I think Bezos, Musk, and Zuck are each much more of a planetwrecker than Swift.

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Replace Swift with Putin and I’m back on board.

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“no no, my billionaire is fine. They are really different i promise”

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She may single-handedly save America from turning into a fascist state with her endorsement, so she gets a pass for now. It is extremely important, yes, but we can worry about her carbon footprint after we get past this MAGA nightmare. Priorities.

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Single handedly? So she is the one deciding the elections? I thought there is some 200 million voters deciding the elections. The fact that one billionaires endorsement is so decisive shows deep deep problems with the billionaire cult in the US.

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it’s not about who she is. it’s ridiculous to have her in this group. her plane is doing damage but it’s nothing compared to multinational companies that do whatever the fuck they want with your air, land and water.

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She isn’t “my” billionaire as I don’t consume any of her content or really give a shit about her one way or the other but she does feel like a weird addition to the list.

Her tag seems to boil down to her private plane usage but is it really all that more than any other person in her income bracket? There are also a bunch of other billionaires listed by others that do a lot worse. He’ll, even the other three listed are having greater environmental impact because of their company’s pushes into AI and the data center requirements of those.

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You can’t abolish wealth, it’s practically impossible. Instead, close the loopholes that make them that rich.

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You can’t get rid of hard work

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7 points

Nobody wants to abolish wealth. We want to abolish people hoarding it away from others who lack basic needs.

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It actually very much is, if you abolish capitalism and private property you outlaw capitalists.

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there has to be some form of private property though, but how do you define the line? Maybe if you could claim stuff for varying amounts of time, be it hours or for your lifetime, but there would still need to be somekind of measure against hoarding and other abuse. Everything should still have value for this, but maybe it wouldn’t need to be monetary value we currently have.

Economy also probably cant be completely removed but it doesnt have to be exactly like it is now where money controls everything. Maybe if every type of work had some kind value determined by something that benefits society as whole and as you work, you gain some kind of credits that can be used to lay claim on stuff. Stuff could also have different tiers based on how crucial they are for life so everyone would have access to at least basic food and shelter no matter what. I dont think people just not working if they dont die to hunger or exposure as result would be problem, as life where you dont do anything is hell unless you are so simple minded you wouldnt be able to work anyway.

Then there is matter of resource allocation, if everyone uses as much as they want everything will run out. But to regulate this there would need to be some kind of authority which could easily corrupt into mockery of itself.

It would be nice if there was some serious research on how to achieve something like this. We dont have to be slaves to wealth. At least i havent heard of anything like that. But i wonder if large enough portion of humanity is even capable of thinking like that.

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Private property is fundamentally evil, the only acceptable form of property is personal property. Its simple if you use it yourself (like a home or a toothbrush) its yours, if its a tool of profit then it belongs to those who use it.

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I get that tswift is a billionaire, but she doesn’t belong in this meme.

Quit trying to equate her to the oligarchs. She hasn’t demonstrated any of those tendencies.

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6 points

Nobody should be a billionaire. There is no labor that can be done to become a billionaire ethically.

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I agree with this take and upvoted you. But she is a billionaire, and also a genuinely good person who’s supported her fans, the people that work with her, etc. I don’t think there should be any billionaires, and I suspect TSwift would likely agree with that.

That’s the difference between her and the actual oligarchs pictured. They’re scum of the earth. She’s guilty of wage exploitation, but capitalism is designed around that idea, so she’s just playing the game.

She’s not off the deep end like so many other billionaires.

There’s shades of gray here. We can agree there shouldn’t be billionaires on principle, and also agree that not all billionaires are using their ill-gotten wealth for pure evil, like the other 3 pictured in the “meme”.

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Yeah, I also agree she doesn’t really deserve to be in this meme. She’s not as bad as the others on here. However, I suspect the original creator put her on the meme so this discussion could be had, which is honestly very smart.

At the end of the day, I think it should be criminal to hoard the amount of wealth that constitutes being a billionaire. I would “take action” against any and all billionaires given the circumstances, even Taylor Swift. Eat the rich. Distribute the wealth.

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4 points

She belongs on the list because of this, and this.

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28 points

This is practically jaywalking compared to the other people in this meme.

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The point isn’t to subject them to gradation, it’s to note the damages they all do in their different ways.

Taylor isn’t exempt from being held responsible for her part just because she’s a nice person.

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