The election fraud lawsuits have started again.
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But Trump chose to stoke the flames Wednesday morning, posting on Truth Social that “Pennsylvania is cheating, and getting caught, at large scale levels rarely seen before.”
“Law enforcement must act, NOW!” he added.
Bucks County officials confirmed to NBC Philadelphia that they had been notified of the lawsuit, but did not provide further comment. Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, meanwhile, shot back at the Republican presidential nominee, highlighting that Trump and his allies have spent the last four years actively corroding public trust in U.S. elections—and that they are currently warming up their second conspiracy to undermine the 2024 election results.
Pennsylvania is cheating
How?
and getting caught
Where?
at large scale levels rarely seen before.
When?
“Law enforcement must act, NOW!”
By doing what exactly?
“Gish Gallop.”
It’s a debate technique. You overwhelm the opposition with an endless stream of half truths, exaggeration’s, lies, and tangents that make it impossible for them to get their point across.
Bannon during Trump’s term referred to this as “flood the zone with shit”. Essentially just putting out such a large volume of nonsense that people just give up, you break their will to vote/argue/oppose you/fight back/correct the record.
The thing that sucks is that it’s so effective. It literally lead to Biden dropping out of the race. Trump spewed a bunch of bullshit really fast in their debate and Biden just froze up because it was so much.
I liked how Kamala handled it in their debate by basically saying “Look, I told you this guy was going to spout a bunch of nonsense.” You’ve gotta call out the technique when you see it.
We see Trump consistently make an outright lie, and in the same breath pivot to a personal attack such as “she’s a nasty woman.” This is another technique that adds something controversial after the lie so that the focus is on the controversial topic instead of the lie.
It makes it harder to peel what he says apart and puts space between the current point of conversation and the lie
The most fucked up thing is that Trump isn’t doing this necessarily intentionally. He’s just so crazy, that this is how his brain works.
For more on all these tactics: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ
The only actual election interference I have heard about and people actually being charged is by the Republicans.
A lawsuit filed is not proof, I could file a lawsuit saying my neighbor stole my house. My house is still where it was but I could claim it’s not and bring a lawsuit. I would lose but it’s the principal of the fact that there is a suit that looks official and people think lawsuits means it’s real.
didn’t scientology win their religionship status because they flooded individuals at the IRS with thousands upon thousands of bullshit lawsuits? saying “this can all stop. it’s up to you”
Operation Snow White was a criminal conspiracy by the Church of Scientology during the 1970s to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder, L. Ron Hubbard. This project included a series of infiltrations into and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members in more than 30 countries. It was one of the largest infiltrations of the United States government in history, with up to 5,000 covert agents. This operation also exposed the Scientology plot “Operation Freakout”, because Operation Snow White was the case that initiated the U.S. government’s investigation of the Church.
They have mountains of evidence, stacked to the ceiling with all the evidence from the 2020 election and Hunter’s laptops
Its so weird to see this unfold now where they know they can’t win in any legitimate manner so they are doing stuff like this before the election is even over. Its like, hey guys we only need the election to have a pretense that cheating is going on, which we all know is happening, but we blame it on the other side and seize power.
There was already an instance I read about yesterday where some former representative was caught on camera stealing ballots from a test machine and then telling someone else that the counts were fucked up (because he stole the ballots) so they want to create their own reality where the election is rigged…
I honestly think it’s going to work… They’re either going to get lucky and hate wins the day outright, or they’ll force a win through ratfuckery… :(
I saw that one too. Even if the media reports on it truthfully with headlines that don’t ragebait readers by withholding the fact that it was a R stealing R test ballots, MAGAots are just going to cherry pick “R ballot stolen” and raise their pitchforks.
Objectivity and truth doesn’t matter to the Qult of bigots, unfortunately.
that it was a R stealing R test ballots,
For clarification, he and a number of other voters were pre-selected to test the functionality of the ballots and voting machines to ensure no glitches happen on November 5. And while they were not the final draft of the ballots that were actually used, they were legitimate ballots by actual voters who voted early, and those ballots were just as valid as the final drafts.
So yeah, the guy stole 3 votes.
I honestly think it’s going to work
I don’t pretend to be able to predict the future, but Trump tried this same thing four years ago and couldn’t pull it off - and he was actually still the President at that time. Seems like it would be even more difficult for him to do it this time as an ex-president, especially considering that he’s now so old and senile that he can’t even paint himself orange properly any more.
It’s not up to him to install himself, but to have people work on his behalf at the state level. That is what failed the first time, but they’ve since “corrected” by having as many “election deniers” work in the departments necessary to mess with the states/counties vote counting. If they can get enough people gum up the works and to push enough lawsuits to drag this out they can then go to the SCOTUS to ask for them to essentially say “it’s been long enough, you have to stop counting.” in an event similar to Bush V Gore. :(
And with the usual ambiguous word salad too.
Hey, you heard about all this incredible cheating? Cheating. Cheating! Vote cheating is bad, it’s so bad. Never seen anything so bad I tell you. But the police does nothing. Nothing! You think vote cheating is ok? I don’t think people should be allowed to get away with it!
Etc etc etc ad nauseam.
The election is RIGGED. Votes are being STOLEN from PROUD AMERICANS. You go to the poles and they throw away YOUR vote. But not when your vote is for BIDEN, no. The IMMIGRANTS are voting illegally and he counts their votes. But not for hardworking AMERICANS. And NOBODY stopped him. We WON’T let that happen again! HILLARY stole the vote! GO OUT THERE. COUNT THE VOTES. THE TRUTH WILL WIN.
We’re seeing in real-time why maintaining a coherent, unified, transparent voting system and communicating how and why it’s secure against tampering is so important. It needs to be difficult to sow doubt in the election, and you can only achieve this through simple to understand and explain methods.
Because if the average person can be convinced it’s not secure and legitimate, then it doesn’t matter what the reality is.
This is why I’m so sick of people pointing out the defamation lawsuits from the voting machine companies as some kind of win for the democratic process.
Voting machines have been just one of the many ways the Republicans have sown doubt over the results. Stop using voting machines, obviously (in my opinion. There’s also 2 great videos from Tom Scott on the topic)
Important things to get right:
- functioning, reliable postal system. (Trump did a great job on undermining this)
- unified electoral communication so that every place has the same election, not bloody 50 separate ones with wildly different practices. (Well shit, constitution needs to be amended)
- a simple voting recording method anyone can understand. (Voting machines are bad, simply because they’re too much of a security risk and black box that can have doubt sown very easily)
- consistent invigilation
- courts that aren’t stacked (good luck with this one, though)
And obvious move away from FPTP, but everyone is already calling for that.
Armchair citizen under the American empire, giving you my 2¢.
Quite a lot of the misinformation out of PA stems from a willful ignorance of how all this stuff works.
For example… the voter registration drives turning in invalid registrations:
“District attorneys and election officials in both Lancaster County and York County are looking into potential election-related fraud after authorities received large batches of voter registration materials from a “third-party organization.” Both York and Lancaster counties have more registered Republican voters than Democrats, according to state data, with York Republicans holding a 63% majority in the area and Lancaster Republicans at a 61% majority.”
When you do a voter registration drive, you are legally obligated to submit all registrations, valid or not. The only entity with the legal authority to reject registrations as valid is the State Secretary of State office.
This is because, back in the day, parties would do registration drives and just shit-can any registration for opposing parties.
Now, even if some dumbass fills out a registration for “Mickey Mouse” or “Superman”, it STILL has to be submitted to the Secretary of State for rejection.
That’s not “voter fraud”.
Look how much time and text it took to refute a few tiny bullshit utterances. Its impossible even if it was desireable, which its not. He needs to be in custody and in 24/7 solitary with zero internet access. He’s a goddamn terrorist
Y’all need to unify your federal election into an actual federal election. Not 50 separate ones.
It would be a lot harder to pick and choose battleground states for lawsuits if you 1. Change the voting system yes, but also and importantly 2. Have consistent rules and voting infrastructure across the whole country.
Having to understand 50 separate election rules makes it way easier to sow doubt.
I am aware there are also some federal laws on voting, but still.
I tend to agree, at a minimum there should be federal regulations for federal elections, but the problem is that it’s impossible without a constitutional amendment making that definition. :(
The idea of ANY amendment even getting started with the 290 vote super majority in the House is just beyond us right now. :(
Election reform, supreme court reform, term limits, should all be top of mind.
Yeah :( Big sad, both for you as a citizen of the US (I presume), and for me, as someone under the thumb of the US’s sphere of influence.
Stay safe out there next week. I’m presume it’s gonna get wild.
Hasn’t even lost yet and he is already being a sore loser.
Imagine idolizing this loser.
He’s riling up his base. People are going to die for this skidmark
You ain’t fucking kidding. Cities are about to get raided by hillbillies & rednecks with guns on trucks. I wish I was exaggerating.
No. Remember after Jan 6 when the badass freedom-fighters promised ominous “actions” in state capitals on Biden’s inauguration day? That day came and went, and at the few “actions” that did happen attendance was in the dozens. When those chickenshit couch farts saw their revolutionary heroes getting methodically tracked down and arrested by the FBI, they stayed home and shook their tiny fists at their TVs. That pathetic bunch of cowards love to talk badass, but when faced with actual personal risk they couldn’t civil war their way out of a Walmart.
I’d caution this sentiment. I don’t expect highly organized violence and I don’t think anyone else here should either. What you’re going to get is basically random acts of domestic terrorism. We’ve already see several ballot boxes set on fire and that’s the kind of thing this crowd will perform.
Well that and I really do think that polling places are in danger and so do a lot of cities. Again I doubt they’ll face organized attacks but look at the election in 2020. Several polling places were attacked and formed large crowds demanding the voting be stopped. It’s not unreasonable to think those crowds get violent this time around and maybe even attack lines of voters.
But the ultimate thing is that people should expect the absolute worst. The people in 2020 did not feel like an election had been stolen. Their extremist groups had no time to organize. Now they have that time. And now their beliefs are stronger than ever. Do not underestimate how awful the US will be from now till January.
Cities are about to get raided by hillbillies & rednecks
I’ve got some terrible news for you, about the political contingent common to plenty of big cities. It won’t be hillbillies and rednecks tearing shit up. It’ll be city cops, state troopers, and the deranged failsons of used car dealers.
You don’t even know how many inner city black folks love Trump, huh?
Ain’t just white trash that’s gonna try putting him in power
