There is actually little daylight between Biden and Trump on an international level. The real difference is between the parties. If you’re American I can 100% understand why you’d never want the GOP anywhere near education, healthcare, climate policy etc. Their religious zealotry, genocidal inclinations towards Muslims (which is present but far more muted among Dems), racial antipathy and paranoia of black people and anti-intellectualism are a recipe for national decline and unrestrained global abuse of non-white, non-Christian peoples.
The Democrats have a neoconservative problem which also threatens the entire world. But sadly the responsible and sensible side of America is stuck with them.
Does the Dems have an issue with Neocons? I can agree with that.
But I prefer the side that at least supports NATO and our allies. I prefer the side that at least doesn’t lavish praise to dictators on a regular basis.
Say what you want about Neocons, it is telling when we have Dick Cheney and John Bolton saying that Trump is dangerous. I will hold my nose and thank them for helping to get Harris elected to preserve the democracy we have.
Sorry, no, there is a huge difference between MAGA Republicans and the Dems (and Neocons) on foreign policy.
Isn’t Trump like super isolationist? Ask a Ukrainian who they prefer to win and I think they’ll have a pretty consistent answer.
To claim Trump is “isolationist” in 2016 is one. To claim it in 2024 is simply denying the facts. Trump was and remains not that much different to Biden on international policy. The key difference is diplomacy. Trump fails at diplomacy while keeping within many of the same policies.
There is a reason that Biden foreign policy has doubled down or refused to undo Trump era policies that Democrats considered to be mistakes, like leaving the JCPOA, playing around with Taiwan ambiguities, enabling Israeli liquidation of a nascent Palestinian state, etc.
I get the impression that Harris plans to drag out the war in Ukraine with continued US support while Trump plans to end it quickly by withholding support. That’s a consequential difference as far as I’m concerned. If Trump were in charge now I expect we’d already be at war with Iran. Remember when he had Soleimani killed in 2020? I don’t think he’d be nearly as reluctant about supporting Israel if he were in charge. I agree that Taiwan is a powder keg, but I’m not sure what we should be doing differently there - curious what you’re getting at there.
The same two parties have been cycling in power for a decade and you are now voting between a fascist and a genocide supporter. Democracy already doesn’t exist in USA
Interesting. Which candidate is supporting genocide, and which way are they supporting it?
In fact both parties are fascists and supporting a genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
I guess we’ll have to consider other factors, then. Like which one is promising to be a dictator, Blood Libeling Haitians, and promising to deport millions.
I’ve seen this same disinformation multiple times so I keep posting the refutation. Kamala wants a ceasefire.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715
She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.
March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas
July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
Biden is complicit in genocide, but people in his administration have spoken out.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/us-government-employees-gaza-policy-statement/index.html
Trump wants Israel to finish their genocide.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
Democrats want a ceasefire. Republicans want genocide. Despite attempts to conflate these two positions they could not be more different.
Do not let anyone tell you we have two fascists parties. We have a neoliberal party and a fascist party. The neoliberal party is terrible on this issue, but they do not want the genocide to continue. The Palestinians, along with everyone else, will be harmed by a second Trump term. Voting for Kamala is harm reduction. If you care about anyone please vote for Harris and Walz because doing so is useful for ending the genocide.
Democrats want a ceasefire. Republicans want genocide. Despite attempts to conflate these two positions they could not be more different. Do not let anyone tell you we have two fascists parties. We have a neoliberal party and a fascist party. The neoliberal party is terrible on this issue, but they do not want the genocide to continue. The Palestinians, along with everyone else, will be harmed by a second Trump term. Voting for Kamala is harm reduction. If you care about anyone please vote for Harris and Walz because doing so is useful for ending the genocide.
Harris is not some random democrat party member she’s the vice president of the current Biden administration. She’s the second highest person in charge in the country, trying to pull her out from what the government is doing is a big stretch. You are claiming in the same post Biden to be complicit in a genocide and the democrats to want a ceasefire, stop being illogical.
Both parties are fine with the genocide going on and with israel fascist government finishing the job, this is not what i’m telling you it’s what is happening live right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
The vice president doesn’t have the power you argument asserts she does.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/what-is-the-constitutional-role-of-the-vice-president
stop being illogical.
Stop ignoring evidence that refutes your argument’s central point.
It’s really not. Just fear mongering to turn out the base.
Right? They keep saying that he’ll turn the US into Nazi Germany or whatever democrat staffers are telling them to spam around the internet from their discord server. Why didn’t he do that in 2016? Astroturfers all over the place. That’s the Kamala campaign for you though.
Just because someone failed to rob a bank doesn’t mean they aren’t a bank robber.
And if he loses, so will the next Republican.
And the next one.
And the next one.
Oh here campaigning for Repubs all the way to the end, huh? “Both sides are colluding, Dems don’t reverse Repub policies! Therefore give up and allow as many Repub policies as we can.”
How did you read any of that from my comment?
I’m just pointing out that fascism doesn’t go away just because Trump is gone.
I’ve seen a lot of comments about the Dems deliberately colluding with Repubs to continue deeper into fascism and assumed yours was one of those.
If he loses, I think we see the fractures in the republican party really start to cascade even more than they have since the last election. It’ll still be a stewpot of regressive, reactionary, fascist fellating bullshit, but their goose stepping will be out of sync.
Meanwhile, a collapse of the Republican part opens the door for a likewise restructuring of the Democratic party, which has for decades now been a big tent party for people who aren’t braindead, but is otherwise pretty ideideologically disparate. And before you wah wah wah FPTP, keep in mind that all RCV initiatives in the US have arisen out of Democratic party affiliated groups.
That didn’t happen last time. Instead, everyone tried to become the new Trump and take up the mantle. They failed because the real Trump was still running, but without him they’ll be able to adapt.
Although they’ll struggle to draw in voters the way Trump does. People like Trump because he’s an “outsider”. A new outsider can totally emerge to take up the mantle once Trump is not sucking all the oxygen out of the room.
Or who knows. Maybe once Trump is defeated everything will go back to normal. 👍
Here, in the German press, I recently heard Trump described as not being the catastrophe itself, he rather is just a symptom of a deep rift going through US society.
Judging by what he did during his first term: Regarding Germany nothing much happened that was any worse than whatever Obama or grampa Biden did during the adjacent terms. A lot of isolationism happened under Biden. In the term before Trump, a lot of murdering people (including a lot of “collateral damage, aka murderings of civilists”) happened under Obama with his over the top employment of drone warfare.
I don’t see much of a difference by whoever becomes the next GRÖFAZ POTUS.
I don’t see much of a difference by whoever becomes the next
GRÖFAZPOTUS.
GReAtest President Ever? GRAPE?
Your first ammendment guarantees that everybody can weigh in and say that your foreign policies suck dicks. Wether you like it or not.
Where did I say that I didn’t like that? You left out the part about not understanding
