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My biggest reason for not knowing who Jill Stein is is that Jill Stein doesn’t exist a month beyond any elections in either direction.

She is simply a spectre of a false belief in voting practices.

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She was a pretty big voice in the Occupy Wall Street movement before she started taking Russian money in force. Now she’s a nobody.

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How the hell can the presidential candidate of the Green Party own a MILLION DOLLARS OF OIL AND GAS SHARES? How can you complain about Israel murdering children in Gaza, when you own shares in Raytheon, which sells and produces weapons for and in Israel?

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Where are you seeing this?

The article claims that she has total stock market index funds in her retirement account and not individual oil and gas shares…

They even link the full financial disclosure that reveals as much: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/un8w34x8anzochjjik2dw/2024-Stein-PFD.pdf?rlkey=no0vsygaof1096tgm3843kwup&st=10vwoc8x&dl=0

This is literally insulting to anyone with any understanding of “investments”:

In January 2024, Stein reported having between $250,001 and $500,000 invested in the Vanguard Total International Stock Index Fund (VXUS), which invests in TC Energy Corp, owner of the Keystone XL Pipeline. Stein profits from the Keystone XL Pipeline she claims to oppose.

This is a super sketchy way to portray a very normal total market index funds…

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And everybody knows that total market includes fossil fuel and arms companies. That is why there are ESG funds, which do exclude the really nasty companies. Those are pretty easy to buy and can also cover a large field of investments. She has lobbied for divestement from fossil fuels, so she should very much be aware that those options are around, while this has been pointed out for nearly a decade. So really no excuse for that.

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Surely, if you’re the Green party leader, you would simply not invest in that particular index fund, and probably would not invest at Vanguard either. When people say you should “divest from fossil fuels”, it obviously also means taking your money out of these index funds.

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It’s funny how easy it is, but no, let’s jump through hoops to justify it.

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This is literally the entire stock market, excluding US. All publicly traded companies worldwide. It’s the epitomy of the “set it and forget it” investment strategy. If you don’t know how to invest, this, coupled with VTI and a bond ETF or two, would be exactly what you would own, and nothing more.

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8 points

I want to get rid of fossil fuels by investing with a company that gives money to fossil fuels!

Surely you can see the problem there?

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You’re the reason financial literacy needs to be taught in schools. I don’t even support the existence of investing, but you need to look up how index funds work.

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Stein and the Greens are also rabidly anti-nuclear, continuing to repeat outdated and debunked nonsense. We can’t plausibly maintain this level of energy use on renewables alone.

That being said, the writer’s claim that Harris is better on climate than Stein is absolutely ridiculous. The Biden/Harris admin set records for fossil fuel extractions, strongly support fracking, waived environmental protections to build Trump’s border wall faster, and want to ban imports of EV’s and solar panels. Plus, their escalating militarism is a carbon nightmare.

Rhetoric won’t save us.

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I’m pro nuclear as well but we absolutely can maintain this level of energy consumption on renewables alone.

The question is cost and risk - I’m for diversification of our grid which includes nuclear.

But it is getting to the point where renewables with backups will be cheaper than coal. That’s absolutely something you can run the entire grid off of. You can balance storage requirements with excess production capacity that gets shuttered over the summer etc etc

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6 points

The backup is nuclear.

I don’t really care what it costs. We’re trying to save the habitability of the planet. Damn the cost.

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OK, then we just deploy a whole lot of storage capacity as fast as we can to support solar and wind. Nuclear only makes sense if it’s cheaper than that, and it’s not.

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Yeah, no. Nuclear is a con. Don‘t believe and spread the energy industry‘s lies. They’re shitting on renewables, because they want consumers dependant on their crap which needs to be subsidised by the state because it’s not economically viable. Thank you.

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It’s easy to tell who’s been propagandized, because they care more about how much it will cost than actually saving the planet.

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Ah, you assume there’s (or will be) unlimited funds set aside to fight climate change?
If that is so, why not plaster deserts with solar panels and the oceans with wind turbines. Would go a bit quicker than the 10-20 years it takes to finalise one nuclear power plant. The nuclear hype has no scientific basis.

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I was a Green Party supporter until Jill Stein kinda took over and I began learning how hypocritical she is. That was 10+ years ago

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3 points

the american green party supports greenbacks, not green nature

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