Tech tycoon Elon Musk joined a call between US President-elect Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky the day after the presidential election, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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When you’re a star they let you do it.

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Fucker will disable Starlink in Ukraine and allow it in Russia

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He’s going to be on the cabinet while getting billions in government contracts. The richest man in the world just got a job where he gets to to shovel more government money to himself. And that’s what Trump calls ‘draining the swamp’ and ‘sticking it to the elites’.

And somehow, instead of democrats calling that out, they decided to find their own elites to trot out.

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Worst of it, government money is your tax dollar… You will pay more and more taxes to funnel the money to Trump’s friends. Trump is the swamp thing!

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They’ll finance it with debt, sale of assets and cutting of services. Which is probably even worse

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4 points

Didn’t he do that already?

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It wasn’t enabled in Crimea in the first place. The author misspoke/lied about in the book and has later admitted it.

U.S. sanctions to Russia forbid the use of Starlink. This includes crimea and the occupied territories. That’s why it wasn’t enabled.

To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.

And before someone points out the ‘cause major war’ things, those are Walters words, not Elon’s. Musk said “It would make SpaceX explicitly complicit in a marjor act of war and conflict escalation” He later also added that had he been contacted by the US officials and asked to enable it he would, but they didn’t.

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US sanctions may try to stop Russia from using statlink, but they’re using it anyway.

Plus the fact that Musk regularly talks with Putin really makes this whole thing quack and waddle.

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Nah, he’ll use the location services from the dish to pinpoint the Ukrainian troop locations. If they’re smart they’ll start smashing them immediately.

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He’s already done so, actually. Under the guise of “blackouts”.

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God, I feel for Zelensky… Imagine fighting for your existence against Russia and having to talk to these morons for help.

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Remember when we had a whole impeachment hearing against Trump for withholding aid to Ukraine so he could get a political hit piece on Biden? I’m wondering how long it will take before a quid pro quo scenario pops up again. Either in Ukraine or elsewhere. So ya, we’re all feeling for Zelensky in the next few years.

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There will be no agreements.

trump is going to change US policy to excluding all intelligence and military support and will “leak” all known military intel to putin.

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And all those 5* Generals and going to stand by and salute ?

You really don’t understand America .

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As though nobody considered what he was actually doing with all those confidential documents.

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There may exist a scenario where north korea is trying to build something that looks suspiciously like an Ohio class submarine and he has a strange golf bar appear on his desk.

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Impeaching him might be on the docket, if the Republicans really want Vance in the puppet seat. I think they’d rather manipulate him than whatever fucking impending shit-splosion Trump will become about 3 minutes in.

I think Vance might at least be convinced to do logical things. We know that isn’t happening with Donny.

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I think Vance might at least be convinced to do logical things.

He’s more likely to competently implement project 2025. Or at least more competently than Trump.

And that’s not a good thing for anyone.

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I’m sure they will help, “Just give Russia what they want, war over, problem solved”

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Zelensky probably spent the whole call wondering if it would be faster to just hand deliver everything they talked about directly to Putin.

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I’m sure his conclusion at the end was “We need to build nukes immediately”.

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My guess is Trump essentially extorted him in the namel of “making a deal” in exchange for American aid.

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146 points

Remember when they used to try to keep corruption somewhat hidden and deniable? Now the richest man in the world is just going to be walking around the White House, tugging the government’s leash on full display.

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Love watching the oligarchs take over…it’s nowhere near as subtle as I thought it was going to be.

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What a dilema for Ukraine! I feel their abandonment will be a microcosm for our leaving to the wolves.

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I think a lot of Americans don’t understand that the USA hedgemony isn’t a divine right, it was a deliberate construction with tacit agreement of convenience from the western world.

Much like an economy, belief makes it so.

Much like the UK’s arrogance has driven them into geopolitical obscurity, so will the USA’s.

In 15 years, Americans are going to wake up and realize that their voices are irrelevant in the world. I don’t know how y’all are going to handle it.

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I deeply, desperately hope you’re right. In the best case, the military (including the nuclear arsenal) gets as hollowed out as russias before that realization comes.

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The USA became dominant by letting the world fight itself to ruins, then entering into the war late and declaring victory. TWICE.

Being the only mostly undestroyed nation after a world war is immensely profitable.

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2 points

This is true.

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Hedge money

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I’m going to be bummed, but it’ll be deserved. Maybe future generations will stop being entitled assholes. Idk. Don’t want to live in a disintegrating country. Really don’t want my kids to. But I guess we don’t always get to pick.

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Maybe future generations will stop being entitled assholes.

Look what’s happening with Gen Z right now. They showed a lot of promise, then showed up to vote and turns out they have just as many nazis as the rest of us. We’re going ride this death spiral all the way to extinction.

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