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The moron who made this meme did it on a computer that requires literally thousands of innovations that are a direct, replicable product of the scientific method. It is the most powerful philosophical system on the planet, despite its sloppiest practitioners, and it doesn’t require the belief of fucking idiots to work.

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The scientific method is wonderful, but to call it a philosophical system is a misunderstanding on what philosophy and/or science is/are.

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It seems likely that you have never studied either if that’s your belief.

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There are other arguments, but if you confuse a method and a system, you clearly don’t know what you’re speaking about.

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Computers are feats of engineering, which is related but distinct from science and the scientific method. Vastly overstating what the scientific method is for isn’t helpful.

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Engineering is a branch of Science. Specifically, Engineering is applied science. For example, scientists discovered that microwaves existed. Engineers made them heat up your food. How did we make safer and better microwaves appliances? Engineers applied the scientific method and iterated on the design and performed tests.

To say engineering is separate from the science is incorrect.

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It was actually a scientist who made the first microwave.

They were doing experiments with hamsters with cryogenics, and warming up the frozen hamsters with hot paddles. It didn’t work that well, and the scientist felt bad for the hamsters.

So, he built the first microwave to warm the hamsters more evenly and ‘humanely’.

That’s right. The first thing cooked in a microwave was literally a hamster.

EDIT:

First Desktop microwave that matches what we consider a microwave today, I should have said. My apologies.

References:

A Smith, J Lovelock, A Parkes, 1954: Resuscitation of Hamsters after Supercooling or Partial Crystallization at Body Temperatures Below 0° C… Nature 173, 1136–1137

R K Andjus, J E Lovelock, 1955: Reanimation of rats from body temperatures between 0 and 1° C by microwave diathermy. The Journal of Physiology, 128.

Lovelock, J E, Smith A U, 1959, Heat transfer from and to animals in experimental hypothermia and freezing. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, 80: 487-499.

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Engineering and science are separate though. They may share many characteristics and share knowledge between them, but the focus and results are fundamentally different.

Engineering is quite different from science. Scientists try to understand nature. Engineers try to make things that do not exist in nature.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering#Science

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Engineering is applied science. It’s literally an entire community of people who volunteered to test Science. And then apply it.

And everything that came out of it is evidence that science works.

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Except that’s not actually how it worked. We didn’t always have solid scientific models before things happened. Bicycles are the more famous example of something that existed for years before science could explain why it works, it’s still not perfectly explained. Flight is also somewhat week in the scientific model for lift, but we can still make planes.

While there have been instances where scientists have theorized/discovered X is possible and then a way to do X was built, it’s not required.

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Ah, yes, I was waiting for you, Well Ackshually It’s Engineering Man.

Nothing else. Nice to see you again.

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Is the dean of engineering at Boston University also a well Ackshuslly guy?

https://www.bu.edu/eng/about-eng/meet-the-dean/engineering-is-not-science/

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48 points

Not even a good meme. It reads like every conservative mass of buzzwords they call a joke.

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36 points

There’s a nuanced view to be made somewhere in here, but this ain’t it. We do have a reproducibility crisis because everyone wants to do a new study instead of retesting to verify old results. And there are some worries about post hoc statistical analysis. But this meme just sounds like general skepticism about science.

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Yeah, label everyone left of Bernie Sanders a “Right Winger” so you don’t have to think and have interactions with people that think differently than you.

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30 points

Yeah vaccines are bullshit get me the ivermectin/s you doofus

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im not antivaxx. although the covid one imo has not been tested nearly enough, at least back when they were shilling it. i believe in vaccines dont get me wrong, though people should be given the choice to not.

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Yeah, but the decision on if vaccines are mandatory or not is a decision made by politicians and not scientists… the scientists only provide the data, its the politicians job to interpret it and make decisions.

Also, I hate this claim of “not tested enough”. They were tested enough, and even if, we just didn’t have the time to wait for more thorough testing, because people were dying left and right because of covid. Don’t you remember the mass graves in New York?

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