Bluesky managed to go offline practically entirely. I count on you folks to spork the hell out of this.
See also here.
Sorry, Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml were down for maintenance again. You were saying?
I think I would mainly notice because my whole feed would be wholesome, supportive, and funny.
And the fact that I had no idea kinda disproves your point. I am browsing Lemmy a lot.
The joke is that most of lemmycels are on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml. Not that these instances literally went down.
Because most of the communities are on those 2 instances. In terms of userbase world does have the most users, but they’re the exception as other “big” instances are more evenly split.
So instead of a single instance going down we have 2 main instances that need to go down, and even if they go down we’d have lemmee, shitjustworks, lemmyca and blahaj (and I guess also lemmynsfw) communities feeding the feed.
Based on https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/14/24296537/bluesky-acting-up-outage-down it was down for 15-30 minutes and for some it was just read-only.
Lemmy instances regularly go down for maintenance longer than this.
Twitter used to regularly “fail whale” and in the long run no one cares.
Yes, decentralizing is a good thing. Yes, it’s fun to poke at BlueSky. But in the long run if you have a product that people want to use then they’ll put up with a lot of crap/downtime.
The point is that bluesky has no interest in being actually decentralized, it’s just a gimmick
Yeah because decentralization is just a gimmick. It sounds cool on paper, but in reality it doesn’t solve many problems - it just introduces many others. The only situation where it helps is if an instance goes down permanently, and even then it’s not that helpful.
Decentralization greatly decreases vendor lock-in, lessens the damage of a single actor and adds competition. These are serious long-term benefits for a service and its users.
There’s a reason why something like email is still around and being innovated on 40 years later, while its proprietary competitors are long since dead. And it’s not that the technology is very good.
Bluesky is just another ICQ/AIM/Slashdot/Digg, a little walled garden that will eventually be ran into the ground. Which is fine. The issue is that it’s trying to embrace and extinguish the fediverse by pretending to be decentralized.
In fairness they’re still rolling out their federation.
Individuals can host their own servers with limited users (10 I think?). The Guardian seems to have launched one judging by their new account @theguadian.com launched today.
And they’re using an open prptocol, with a promise to transfer it to an independent standards body in the near future. Also Jack Dorsey no longer has anything to do with it which is another good sign.
Can I have the documentation? I believe you I just haven’t found it myself (I’m bad at looking things up)
I’d be interested in self hosting my own Bluesky server if this is the case, maybe I could bridge it to my Misskey Server
@Turret3857 I don’t have any documentation, but I do know that Friendica (which is a multi-protocol platform) created a Bluesky addon. Maybe their code might be a good example. #[1](https://github.com/friendica/friendica-addons/tree/develop/bluesky)
Also, Bridgy Fed can be used by any ActivityPub-based platform to connect to Bluesky. That can work in the meantime until direct integration with AT Protocol is developed.
bluesky is more federated than threads, but less federated than mastodon. As I understand it, you can more or less host your own bluesky “instance”. Though it is difficult to do and some parts you have to build yourself, it is technically doable. This is not the case on threads, I believe.
Eh, I feel like the important part of decentralization right now is the potential to migrate.
Like, how many social media sites actually last 5 years before shitting the bed?
If admins of an instance get shitty, it’s trivial to move to a new one. Traditional social media you’d have to migrate to a completely different site, with different features, layout, and other stuff.
People won’t all wait for the same reason, as the biggest becomes actually “big” we’ll see them start to fracture.
There just wasn’t enough people on fediverse to start out like that.
So think of Blue sky, World, and all those other “big” instances that still don’t have that many users as the egg for the future fediverse that actually has enough users to be proper decentralized
Is migrating really practical? Will your followers automatically follow you on your new server?
On Mastodon yes, it is also compatible with a few other software like Akkoma. Your followers will get a notification that you moved and will automatically follow the new account. Works very seamlessly in my experience.
followers
Lol.
Buddy if I have any followers I’d be happy to leave them behind.
But I’m not into that twitter/Instagram/Tiktok nonsense.
If someone was, I’d assume they’d just leave a last post saying:
This is where I am now
They don’t need to jump instances if they’re federated, they just need to follow a new account.
Some people do not recognize questions anymore. You write a lot of stuff that nobody’s interested in, you could have just said: “no”.
Edit, this was based on wrong information provided by @givesomefucks:
And that means that if I am following a person because they write useful things that I’m interested in or that I need for my work, I will loose connection when they suddenly move. That has nothing to do with what you call nonsense; it is a practical consequence of the Fediverse not having migration built in. Fediverse basically offers to create a new account, that is not migration.
Is it possible to move all of you subscriptions and comments to a new Lemmy instance?
Yes, in your user settings there should be a button to Export/Import. I think it grabs the communities you subscribe to and any comments that you’ve starred. The comments you’ve made won’t come with.
The comments you’ve made won’t come with.
Probably a deal breaker for many
What about block lists? Are those transferred?
Or we could simply not have admins by decentralizing the backend separately from the frontend.
What?
You know an instance is like, a physical server…
Right?
Like, the only way what you’re saying makes sense, is if mods had to host their own communities. Someone has to host shit and be liable. Right now that’s instance admins. If they didn’t exist, you’re just calling whoever hosts and is liable a different name than admin, they still do the same thing.
You’re just zooming in another level on it. Nothing changes.
The only way what I’m saying doesn’t make sense is if you don’t understand what I’m talking about.
Look at Reddit before the API bullshit. Tons of apps all having access to the same content, the apps devs didn’t have control over what subreddit you had access to, they only have control over the UI used to access it and you could switch from one app to another, always using the same credentials because the frontend was independent from the backend.
Now imagine if the backend, the data storage (Reddit’s servers), were decentralized. People would just pool resources to store the content and would have control over what they decide to store on their servers but wouldn’t be able to influence the user experience because users would just be pulling content from all the servers.
So you could add 10TB of storage and not accept NSFW content, you would run filter tools to get rid of what might pass through the cracks (just like admins need to do now even on NSFW content free instances), but that would be it, your storage space would just be 10TB out of thousands of TB of database hosted on a ton of servers, open to the public.
Dumb backend, smart frontend. Users curate their experiences themselves (just like on Reddit) and are guaranteed to have access to all the federated content no matter which frontend they use because admins are taken out of the equation. Mods still exist, but they only have power over their communities, they are the people with the most power from a user perspective. There’s no more instances, just one huge decentralized database accessible via a bunch of websites and apps and users would choose the one which offers them the UI/UX they prefer.
I think you misunderstand. Bluesky is completely non federated. It has nothing to do with the fediverse and there is no ability to migrate.
Not sure if your information is outdated or if you’re using a different definition of federate, but this blog post says they have support for a degree of federation: https://bsky.social/about/blog/02-22-2024-open-social-web
Hmm thanks. It looks like you can set up a server with their protocol but it doesnt use activitypub. So it is technically federated but its not part of the whole mastodon/lemmy/pixelfed/etc fediverse.
