Edit: alright I’m sticking this up here because a number of people seem confused–this post isn’t trying to convince you that “fediverse” is a bad term–rather it’s a discussion of why I think “threadiverse” is a good umbrella term, for the forum-based part of the fediverse specifically. (lemmy+kbin)
So; we’ve got something special right here; a federated, thread based forum; but we’re still on the forefront right now; most people are still stuck on the old thing; reddit–they’ll come in time, but they usually have a hard time getting here–largely because they don’t know what “here” is.
Say Lemmy or Kbin, and you’ve already got problems; you’ve got to explain all the details of the platform, and how Lemmy and Kbin are really the same thing, etc, etc–too specific–
Say Fediverse, and you’ve got the opposite problem; too broad and vague, such that nobody will know what you’re talking about unless you unload a whole pile of overwhelming details–we need a term that talks about only this segment of the Fediverse; the thread based forum portion–just as the World Wide Web could only really catch on once terms like, “internet” or “web” became widespread, the federated alternative to Reddit will only catch on once it has a name too–it’s a branding game.
Thus, if we want to beat Reddit at branding, we need a better name than them–In my opinon, “Threadiverse” is the best name for the job, for reasons I’ll lay out below:
First off; any good name communicates a lot of information–like how “Reddit” contains both “Read+it” and Red, the colour associated with their brand–it’s made up of those three parts, plus the company name:
“Reddit”=Read+It+Red+Reddit
We, however, don’t have a company, and are thus not bound by a need for that kind of recognizeability–we’re looking for a new term; a term like internet; that doesn’t need to communicate anything other than what the platform is.
So enter Threadiverse;
Like “Reddit”, “Threadiverse” is made up of a number of parts–first, and most obviously to an outside observer you’ve got thread+universe. Simple, and easy to remember, just like “Reddit” is from Read and it. But we’ve got more depth too, just like Reddit does; but unlike Reddit, our term has two deeper meanings; first, again, more obvious to an outside observer we have “diverse”–what we want our platform to be: a diverse marketplace of ideas; where reddit has “red” the colour of their brand, a superficial bit of brand information, and representation of their existence as a corporation, we have another descriptor of ourselves–all this is not even to mention “Fediverse”, the term we take to get “Threadiverse” in the first place, but that part is not relevant to the outside observer who knows nothing of the platform, its makeup, or its history.
so in short; within that name we’ve got one more bit of meaning than they do, and, rather than using most of our meanings to communicate superficial brand information, as Reddit does with having their company colour as part of their name; we have “diverse”, as our goal is not to be a company, as Reddit’s is, but to be diverse marketplace of ideas, and an exchange of useful information.
TL:DR:
“Threadiverse”: Thread+Universe+Diverse+Fediverse+Threadiverse
“Reddit”: Read+it+Red+Reddit
More info = good; therefore “Threadiverse”>“Reddit”.
And therefore “Threadiverse” is probably one of the best names our platform can have.
I’m certainly not the first person to use the term “Threadiverse”; but I haven’t seen much discussion of why it’s the name we ought to be using–and none about why that in particular matters for getting people to understand the platform–hence why I’m making a post about it–a post which I meant to make two weeks ago, but accidentally deleted instead; so here it is now.
Thanks to @cat 's post, and a lot of the top comments, for getting me to think about this a bit more–check that out for more reasons why we ought to be using a name like “Threadiverse”.
Anyway; those are my 2 cents (or 20) on the matter of names, and why Threadiverse is a good one; thoughts?
I’ve preferred “Threadiverse” for a while, since the ecosystem is larger than just lemmy and kbin. Those are just the two dominant platforms, just like mastodon is the dominant platform on the other side of the fediverse, but it isn’t the only one by any stretch.
did you seriously wrote like a million paragraphs to explain why it is crucial to start saying “threadiverse” because “fediverse” is bad? 🤣
I think their explanation is valid and important. Early adopters not caring about branding is one of the reasons their software stays in a minority
I think their explanation is valid and important
you mean this explanation?
TL:DR: “Threadiverse”: Thread+Universe+Diverse+Fediverse+Threadiverse
i think it is a joke. people who are staying on reddit right now are doing that because they don’t care about fediverse and are still happy with scrolling through w/e they are scrolling on reddit right now. if that changes in the future, it is not going to be because someone changes fediverse to threadiverse.
Early adopters not caring about branding is one of the reasons their software stays in a minority
that is absolute nonsense. it is the product that makes the brand, not the other way around. if you have good product, you will make word-class brand from random mix of characters like “google”. if you have bad product, no brand is going to help you.
that is not to say that fediverse is bad product, it is purely comment on people overestimating the almighty brand.
hey; just because I thought it was funny doesn’t invalidate my points–and I’m not saying that it’s vital we have a good name to sum up this segment of the fediverse for it to succeed; I’m saying it’ll probably succeed faster if we have one.
It’s a good name and I’ve heard it proposed before, I think the real problem is it’s too close to Meta’s new platform (Threads). Since that company has already co-opted “metaverse”, and is threatening to invade our fediverse, I think it’s too vulnerable to name anything “threadiverse” at the moment.
I think that’s really more a problem with facebook using a broad term for their app name than anything–but yeah; facebook has a habit of co-opting broad terms; my opinion is if we start using it first; we’ll probably have it name recognition-wise, since our platform’s far superior.
Beauty in this though is that there is no unified “threadiverse” platform; it’s just Lemmy+Kbin+whatever comes next; and as such there’s not much commitment to using any term over another–if “threadiverse” doesn’t catch on; we’ll get something better at some point
I agree that Threadiverse is the best choice for a name for combined Lemmy+Kbin. I think I’ll still just say Lemmy when introducing it to friends, but it’s definitely helpful to have an agreed-upon word that correctly represents that Lemmy and Kbin work together in a way that, for example, Lemmy and Mastodon don’t really.
Only problem with all of this is that people might get ‘threadiverse’ confused with ‘Threads’ of course…
Which makes me wonder why Meta chose this name. Especially since Threads isn’t really focused on actual threads.