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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last week’s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

23 points

At work, I’ve been looking through Microsoft licenses. Not the funniest thing to do, but that’s why it’s called work.

The new licenses that have AI-functions have a suspiciously low price tag, often as introductionary price (unclear for how long, or what it will cost later). This will be relevant later.

The licenses with Office, Teams and other things my users actually use are not only confusing in how they are bundled, they have been increasing in price. So I have been looking through and testing which licenses we can switch to a cheaper, without any difference for the users.

Having put in quite some time with it, we today crunched the numbers and realised that compared to last year we will save… (drumroll)… Approximately nothing!

But if we hadn’t done all this, the costs would have increased by about 50%.

We are just a small corporation, maybe big ones gets discounts. But I think it is a clear indication of how the AI slop is financed, by price gauging corporate customers for the traditional products.

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There’s got to be some kind of licensing clarity that can be actually legislated. This is just straight-up price gouging through obscurantism.

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22 points

Character.AI Is Hosting Pedophile Chatbots That Groom Users Who Say They’re Underage

Three billion dollars and its going into Character AI AutoGroomer 4000s. Fuck this timeline.

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automated grooming is just what progress is and you have to accept it. like the printing press

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11 points

AI finally allowing grooming at scale is the kind of thing I’d expect to be the setup for a joke about Silicon Valley libertarians, not something that’s actually happening.

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7 points

Just needs a guy who goes “if we don’t build the automated grooming machine, somebody else will”.

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1 point

I’ve seen people defend these weird things as being ‘coping mechanisms.’ What kind of coping mechanism tells you to commit suicide (in like, at least two different cases I can think of off the top of my head) and tries to groom you.

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18 points

now seeing EAs being deeply concerned about RFK running health during a H5N1 outbreak

dust specks vs leopards

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11 points

The way many of the popular rat blogs started to endorse Harris in the last second before the US election felt a lot like an attempt at plausible deniability.

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11 points

Sure we’ve been laying the groundwork for this for decade, but we wanted someone from our cult of personality to undermine democracy and replace it with explicit billionaire rule, not someone with his own cult of personality.

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10 points

If H5N1 does turn into a full-blown outbreak, part of me expects it’ll rack up a heavier deathtoll than COVID.

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9 points

Anyone here read “World War Z”? There’s a section there about how the health authorities in basically all countries supress and deny the incipient zombie outbreak. I think about that a lot nowadays.

Anyway the COVID response, while ultimately better than the worst case scenario (Spanish Flu 2.0) has made me really unconvinced we will do anything about climate change. We had a clear danger of death for millions of people, and the news was dominated by skeptics. Maybe if it had targetted kids instead of the very old it would have been different.

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7 points

It’s not just systemic media head-up-the-assery, there’s also the whole thing about oil companies and petrostates bankrolling climate denialism since the 70s.

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12 points

When I run into “Climate change is a conspiracy” I do the wide-eyed look of recognition and go “Yeah I know! Have you heard about the Exxon files?” and lead them down that rabbit hole. If they want to think in terms of conspiracies, at least use an actual, factual conspiracy.

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OK to start us off how about some Simulation Hypothesis crankery I found posted on ActivityPub: Do we live in a computer simulation? (Article), The second law of infodynamics and its implications for the simulated universe hypothesis (PDF)

Someone who’s actually good at physics could do a better job of sneering at this than me, but I mean but look at this:

My law can confirm how genetic information behaves. But it also indicates that genetic mutations are at the most fundamental level not just random events, as Darwin’s theory suggests.

A super complex universe like ours, if it were a simulation, would require a built-in data optimisation and compression in order to reduce the computational power and the data storage requirements to run the simulation.

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20 points

This feels like quackery but I can’t find a goal…

But if they both hold up to scrutiny, this is perhaps the first time scientific evidence supporting this theory has been produced – as explored in my recent book.

There it is.

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21 points

OK this membe list experience is just 👨‍🍳😗👌

  • Psychonaut
  • Practitioner of Yoga
  • Quantum, Consciousness, Christian Theology, Creativity

Perfect. No notes.

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the terrible tryfecta

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8 points

I haven’t seen qualifications this relevant and high-quality since “architects and engineers for 9/11 truth.”

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14 points

Finally computer science is a real field, there are cranks! Suck it physics and mathematics, we are a real boy now!

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10 points

I love the word cloud on the side. What is 6G doing there

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6 points

6G nanometer-wave, gently caressing your mitochondria thanks to the power of antiferromagnets and BORIS:

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7 points

Has this person turned up shilling their book on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory yet? If not, I think it’s a lock for 2025

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19 points

Despite the lack of evidence, this idea is gaining traction in scientific circles as well as in the entertainment industry.

lol

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12 points

General sneer against the SH: I choose to dismiss it entirely for the same reason that I dismiss solipsism or brain-in-a-vat-ism: it’s a non-starter. Either it’s false and we’ve gotta come up with better ideas for all this shit we’re in, or it’s true and nothing is real, so why bother with philosophical or metaphysical inquiry?

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15 points

The SH is catnip to “scientific types” who don’t recognize it as a rebrand of classical metaphysics. After all, they know how computers work, and it can’t be that hard to simulate the entire workings of a universe down to the quark level, can it? So surely someone just a bit smarter than themselves have already done it and are running a simulation with them in it. It’s basically elementary!

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11 points

Ha very clever, but as quantum level effects only occur when somebody is looking at it, they dont have to simulate it at quark level all the time. I watched what the bleep do we know, im very smart.

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6 points

If you think about it, a slice of pizza is basically a computer that simulates a slice of pizza down the quark level.

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12 points

The “simulation hypothesis” is an ego flex for men who want God to look like them.

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6 points

Since the Middle ages we’ve reduced God’s divine realm from the glorious kingdom of heaven to an office chair in front of a computer screen, rather than an office chair behind it.

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11 points

You’re missing the most obvious implication, though. If it’s all simulated or there’s a Cartesian demon afflicting me then none of you have any moral weight. Even more importantly if we assume that the SH is true then it means I’m smarter than you because I thought of it first (neener neener).

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But this quickly runs into the ‘don’t create your own unbreakable crypto system’ problem. There are people out there who are a lot smarter who quickly can point out the holes in these simulation arguments. (The smartest of whom go ‘nah, that is dumb’ sadly I’m not that enlightened, as I have argued a few times here before how this is all amateur theology, and has nothing to do with STEM/computer science (E: my gripes are mostly with the ‘ancestor simulation’ theory however)).

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12 points

I don’t have the time to deep dive this RN but information dynamics or infodynamics looks to be, let’s say, “alternative science” for the purposes of trying to up the credibility of the simulation hypothesis.

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10 points

How sneerable is the entire “infodynamics” field? Because it seems like it should be pretty sneerable. The first referenced paper on the “second law of infodynamics” seems to indicate that information has some kind of concrete energy which brings to mind that experiment where they tried to weigh someone as they died to identify the mass of the human soul. Also it feels like a gross misunderstanding to describe a physical system as gaining or losing information in the Shannon framework since unless the total size of the possibility space is changing there’s not a change in total information. Like, all strings of 100 characters have the same level of information even though only a very few actually mean anything in a given language. I’m not sure it makes sense to talk about the amount of information in a system increasing or decreasing naturally outside of data loss in transmission? IDK I’m way out of my depth here but it smells like BS and the limited pool of citations doesn’t build confidence.

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I read one of the papers. About the specific question you have: given a string of bits s, they’re making the choice to associate the empirical distribution to s, as if s was generated by an iid Bernoulli process. So if s has 10 zero bits and 30 one bits, its associated empirical distribution is Ber(3/4). This is the distribution which they’re calculating the entropy of. I have no idea on what basis they are making this choice.

The rest of the paper didn’t make sense to me - they are somehow assigning a number N of “information states” which can change over time as the memory cells fail. I honestly have no idea what it’s supposed to mean and kinda suspect the whole thing is rubbish.

Edit: after reading the author’s quotes from the associated hype article I’m 100% sure it’s rubbish. It’s also really funny that they didn’t manage to catch the COVID-19 research hype train so they’ve pivoted to the simulation hypothesis.

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14 points

Oh the author here is absolutely a piece of work.

Here’s an interview where he’s talking about the biblical support for all of this and the ancient Greek origins of blah blah blah.

I can’t definitely predict this guy’s career trajectory, but one of those cults where they have to wear togas is not out of the question.

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9 points

I sneered that in a blog post last year, as it happens.

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12 points

“feel free to ignore any science “news” that’s just a press release from the guy who made it up.”

In particular, the 2022 discovery of the second law of information dynamics (by me) facilitates new and interesting research tools (by me) at the intersection between physics and information (according to me).

Gotta love “science” that is cited by no-one and cites the author’s previous work which was also cited by no one. Really the media should do better about not giving cranks an authoritative sounding platform, but that would lead to slightly fewer eyes on ads and we can’t have that now can we.

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6 points

i mean, the Ray Charles one sounds fun. My 1st year maths lecturer demonstrated the importance of not dividing by zero by mathematically proving that if 1=0, then he was Brigitte Bardot. We did actually applaud.

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5 points

@dgerard @blakestacey Bertrand Russel famously argued he was the pope by starting with false premises. At least according to my logic professor. That’s the earliest version I’m aware of.

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You’re doing the lord’s simulation-author’s work, my friend.

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If you’re in the mood for a novel that dunks on these nerds, I highly recommend Jason Pargin’s If This Book Exists, You’re in the Wrong Universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_This_Book_Exists,_You're_in_the_Wrong_Universe

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7 points

It is the fourth book in the John Dies at the End series

oh damn, I just gave the (fun but absolute mess of a) movie another watch and was wondering if they ever wrote more stories in the series — I knew they wrote a sequel to John Dies at the End, but I lost track of it after that. it looks like I’ve got a few books to pick up!

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6 points

Someone (maybe you) recommended this book here awhile back. But it’s the fourth book in a series so I had to read the other three first and so have only just now started it.

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andrew tate’s “university” had a leak, exposing cca 800k usernames and 325k email addresses of people that failed to pay $50 monthly fee

entire thing available at DDoSectrets, just gonna drop tree of that torrent:

├── Private Channels
│   ├── AI Automation Agency.7z
│   ├── Business Mastery.7z
│   ├── Content Creation + AI Campus.7z
│   ├── Copywriting.7z
│   ├── Crypto DeFi.7z
│   ├── Crypto Trading.7z
│   ├── Cryptocurrency Investing.7z
│   ├── Ecommerce.7z
│   ├── Health & Fitness.7z
│   ├── Hustler's Campus.7z
│   ├── Social Media & Client Acquisition.7z
│   └── The Real World.7z
├── Public Channels
│   ├── AI Automation Agency.7z
│   ├── Business Mastery.7z
│   ├── Content Creation + AI Campus.7z
│   ├── Copywriting.7z
│   ├── Crypto DeFi.7z
│   ├── Crypto Trading.7z
│   ├── Cryptocurrency Investing.7z
│   ├── Ecommerce.7z
│   ├── Fitness.7z
│   ├── Hustler's Campus.7z
│   ├── Social Media & Client Acquisition.7z
│   └── The Real World.7z
└── users.json.7z

yeah i studied defi and dropshipping at andrew tate’s hustler university

statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

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9 points

“Yeah I thought about going into civil engineering but the department of hustling really spoke to me y’know?”

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i have never felt imposter syndrome since

nikhil suresh, probably

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8 points

I’m just curious how many hits you would get if you searched for ‘4 hour work week’, as iirc that is where all these people stole the idea from. (well, not totally, the idea they are stealing is selling others the idea of the 4 hour work week, but I hope you get what I mean, 4 hour work weeks all the way down).

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See, isn’t the 4-hour work week one of those “just make other people work 50+hours a week on your behalf and take the money they’ve earned for it” schemes? This looks much broader rather than being married to a specific sub-scam. Like, if crypto is down they can sell drop shipping. If drop shipping is cringe they can sell AI slop monetization. If Amazon tightens their standards and starts locking out AI stuff they can go back to crypto.

It’s in the same genre of trying to monetize being a conspicuous asshole, but it is one of the more complex evolutions, at least compared to the standard grift-luencer.

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4 points

I think it is that book yes, it started a lot of these things, and a lot of these people (im generalizing here, but the Tates are imho part of a long line of manosphere people who all do this kind of stuff, selling others courses into dropshipping, courses into setting up passive income streams, courses into getting laid/mindset etc. And it seems like the only thing they manage to really sell is courses. I don’t think it is that complex an evolution more like the natural progression, of course they get into crypto and AI slop. I think the only real change of somebody like Tate vs the other weirdos who did this (somebody like Cernovic was also one of these people for example) is that Tate has a little bit of charisma for an important market segment (the under 18 year olds).

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5 points

obligatory IBCK.

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3 points

that’s not even that, maybe with exception for tate &co. it’s just shilling shitcoins and selling hopes like that one tiktok spammer mussy described by 404media

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4 points

alright it’s 14gb of json files let me figure out how to grep it in reasonable way and i’ll get there for now i’ll say that the biggest one (size) in private channels is “crypto trading” (2 gb) then “crypto investing” (1.6gb), while in public channels it’s “the real world” (1.7 gb) and “ecommerce” (0.87 gb)

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not many. 2 hits for “4 hour workweek” and 35 for “4 hour work week” another 4 for “4-hour workweek” and 5 for “4-hour work week”

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3 points

Thanks!

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The word “deranged” is getting a workout lately, ain’t it?

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8 points

fwiw i attribute this to the stop doing x meme (that I believe skillissuer is referencing):

been thinking about making one for (memory) safe c++, but unfortunately I don’t know the topic deep enough to make the meme good

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One of my favorite meme templates for all the text and images you can shove into it, but trying to explain why you have one saved on your desktop just makes you look like the Time Cube guy

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3 points

yeah that’s what i was going for

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2 points

magnificent!

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6 points

Ugh. Tangentially related: a streamer I follow has been getting lots of people in her chat saying that one of the taters wants to hire her. I’ve started noticing comments like “I love white culture” and weird fantasies about the roman empire. Historically she’s also been asked multiple times what her ethnicity is (she is white), specifically if she is scandanavian, which I am starting to view under some kind of white supremacist lens. I’ve told her to ignore anything mentioning the taters or “top g” as one of them is known.

Honestly, I’m worried that she could get brigaded by these creeps, even if she shows no response whatsoever.

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I mean, according to the charges Tate hiring young women usually meant some variety of sex trafficking and adult video that he took the money for. Tbh the whole space is sufficiently toxic that she ought to start dropping the banhammer judiciously, but IDK what situation is politically economically etc.

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