i know the fediverse has been pretty split and a lot of big instances (mainly microblogging and mastodon-like softwares, but some lemmy instances are defederating meta too) but what do you think?
I’ll never use a Facebook product if I can help it.
A shit product name using a generic commonly used term.
I already fell into misinterpreting a post title about it. So unnecessary.
Mastodon already exists, they didn’t need to bother
I’m all for it if gathers up a whole bunch of basic/casual internet users and keeps them in the shallow end of the pool.
People are worried about it being an E/E/E manoeuvre but I see it as a plus happening this early - a great scenario to test and observe how federation (and defederation) works in practice and gives the whole ecosystem some experience in dealing with potentially hostile actors.
So far though, worst case is if threads turns out to be a real blight on the fediverse, then major instances with defederate them and that will be the end of it.
Obviously I don’t think anyone here cares for it, but most are worried on how it’ll affect the fedi
Most of the fear is unfounded and it’s a good thing for the overall fedi network
You can see Mastodon’s CEO response on it, and I definitely agree with him. It’s a good run down on the controversy, also mentioning embrace-extend-extinguish.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
As much as I respect the guy, I think he’s being naïve in that blog post.
This guy explains very well why one should be very weary of this.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Yeah a whole lot of nothing new from that post. The mention of XMPP is mentioned in Mastodon’s post already, and it really is an irrelevant protocol barely having users in 2006. That landscape isn’t remotely the same as it is today. When you say let’s talk on XMPP, what does that even mean? What app? What website? If I say let’s chat over ActivityPub, I could point you to Mastodon or whatever. They’re user facing, they’re established, they’re easy to use for normal people. It’s modern day and we can clone a git repo of ActivityPub like it’s nothing. People are well aware of extend-embrace-extinguish. The comparison really baffles me.
Frankly I think those admins are dumb for refusing to talk to Meta so they could give them their perspective of the fedi. That was Meta actually attempting to have positive communication and was shot down.
None of the comparisons in that post that are brought up are even remotely comparable to me. They are all entirely different circumstances, like trying to compare a essential tool like document rendering to an independent social network protocol?? You need that document rendering for work, you can’t do your job otherwise. Mastodon can tell them to fuck off and remain on an unchanged ActivityPub with zero loss. These comparisons are not the same.
Ok answer this then:
What’s stopping Meta from spreading its influence on the platform (so that people follow others on threads), growing up to be the largest instance, and then just defederating from everyone else to “stop spam”? People will then move to threads so they keep following their friends there (because their friends signed up for meta, since it was all compatible anyway).
Have you ever tried to administer your own email server? It’s a huge hassle to do, as you’ll automatically be blocked by Gmail, outlook, etc and have to jump through a lot of hoops to stop yourself from being blocked.
The same thing will happen to the fediverse.
