Amazing how quickly they gave up on finger wagging over Israel not allowing in aid supplies

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The strategic blunders from the Democrats on all levels is incredible. They’re throwing the progressive anti-war libs to the left, they’re giving well-meaning libs an experiential crash course in how Hasbara propaganda works.

The way they have been peeling people off of liberalism recently is just remarkable.

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i think it’s a bubble effect of the democrats who have lost touch with americans.

3 out of the 5 software developer leftists that first introduced me to marxist/leninist theory switched to either becoming a hard core capitalist or keep their mouths shut because of the disgustingly high salaries they get from their software engineering jobs.

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Cowards, all. The opportunity to be a class traitor to the worst of all classes is the only reason to even have a software job.

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the worst part for me is that i really like them as people; i aspired to emulate one once in a few ways.

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i think it’s a bubble effect of the democrats who have lost touch with americans.

I don’t think they were in touch to begin with. The plain fact is that 2015-2021 everyone who wasn’t in MAGA was cosplaying.

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The way they have been peeling people off of liberalism recently is just remarkable.

The problem is that our “Trump will end democracy if we don’t vote against him!” #Resistance media is rapidly transforming into a “Trump is actually cool and good, and we’re excited to see what he does next” court full of supplicants. The MSNBC Liberals aren’t getting a crash course in how Hasbara works, they’re getting an earful of propaganda that they’ll inevitably believe.

Liberals are being peeled off, but they’re not turning left. They’re going to be diverted into “We need to be more fascist if we want to win elections” Bush Era conservatism. The leftists, meanwhile, are going to keep getting the OWS/BLM/anti-Genocide treatment. We’re already seeing that with the naked hostility aimed at Sarah McBride. Nevermind the treatment of Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman.

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The MSNBC Liberals aren’t getting a crash course in how Hasbara works

I was thinking more like the well-meaning libs who oppose war or want to see military aid to Israel being stopped.

Being called a Hamas-sympathiser is going to be a slap in the face and I think it’s going to make them realise how often Hasbara trolls resort to claiming everything is Hamas. It would be hard to go back to believing the narratives coming out of Israel after a wake-up call like that.

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Being called a Hamas-sympathiser is going to be a slap in the face

Bullying works. This isn’t going to make them break from the Liberal Party, its going to make them break from Palestine.

It would be hard to go back to believing the narratives coming out of Israel after a wake-up call like that.

If liberal media can reform Dick Cheney and George Bush inside eight years, they can bring Libs around on Israel within a week of a ceasefire.

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Liberals siding with Fascists, a love story as old as time somewhere in the interwar period.

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If you don’t support the wanted war criminals of Israel, you support the terrorists they funded and helped bring to power?

Gtfo

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Dems being Bush Republicans example #7263627

If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists

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It’s 2004, and not wanting to tear a nation asunder while killing many thousands is seen as terroristic dissent

It’s 2024, and not wanting to tear a nation asunder while killing many thousands is seen as terroristic dissent

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Damn. That takes me back in time!

I remember being outraged by that. I went to protests with people who were also outraged by that.

It was a driver for me to go out and find what little media was outraged about it, too, which at the time was Maddow and Majority Report.

Hearing that the Democrats are using the same argument is shocking, because it was plain as day that was not even an argument based on reality. The whole time I thought those people in the media shared that same understanding of reality. Apparently not.

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Is it controversial to say Hamas > Israel

Like I’m not a fan of Hamas but Israel is so fucked up they could make almost any faction look good by comparison

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I’m a fan of Hamas. Hezbollah, Assad, Ansarallah, Iran and Russia too. Call me Mr. Based

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I ain’t a fan of any countries besides Cuba and Vietnam. But I’m really just starting to learn about the world from a non USA propaganda perspective so 🤷 Iran does seem to be the best player in the Middle East from what I can tell though. Just wish they were still secular like in the 70’s

My reasons for disliking the Factions and people you mention is just that they seem to also be right wing repressive and authoritarian. Albeit less so than Israel and what the west would inflict.

Russia is the most surprising of those for me. Seems like Russia is a capitalist oligarchy. What do you think I’m missing out of curiosity. Links to vida or sources would be cool. Looking to learn more.

Idk been lied to so many times that I’ll hear out anybody I don’t understand.

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It’s critical support, as in I fully support their efforts to win their respective wars due to their anti-imperialist and anti-colonial natures. I don’t have to think a country is perfect to know they should defeat fascist invaders.

Putin pulled Russia out of Yeltsin’s neoliberal-fascist looting fest, nationalized and rebuilt industry that had been looted and stolen, and has saved Syria from ISIS takeover. The fascist coup in Ukraine should have been squashed earlier and harder, but Russia seems to have realized its mistake in going easy on the imperialists and has been forced into a corner.

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