stuff like “Well you call them the scum of the earth, why wouldnt they hate you”
Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?
i always get disgusted and disillusioned when i come upon it
I never hear or read enough of her stuff to have fully got the anti-amber-aktion from the old subreddit or the early days of hexbear.
This comment chain has been somewhat enlightening. I’ll try to pay more attention when I happen to read/hear her opine in the future.
Omg whooo cares qbout podcasts theyre all slop garbage blluhhhhhh bkugg
Except Mr. Christman, he is an innocent beautiful baby boy (please get well)
I don’t argue with people John Brown would’ve shot and your bullshit sounds like he’d have turned you into a speed loader
We can talk about white people or reactionaries or whatever all we want till the cows come home, the real problem we ignore by doing that is that there are 322 million people in this country and only a teensy tiny bit are your glorious soviet-realist gang of comrades, less than like 1%.
Understand that I have no fucking issue with tagging the toes of as many crackers as humanly possible if it means my people finally achieve the liberation that’s been tacitly withheld from us. I already approach living as a subject of empire in this country with the understanding that settlers are fundamentally-irreconcilable, fundamentally-existential enemies.
Because Amber understands that you practically have to build communism with some of the dumbest stupidest most racist and most reactionary people, and not a glorious soviet-realist style gang of clear eyed ideological comrades.
Amber is not trying to build communism. Amber is a SocDem. She projects more sympathy for chuds than for the marginalized.
“escape” from fascists is literally a reactionary individualistic daydream. You can either kill them or rehabilitate them, and the idea of a glorious purge of evil is also a deeply reactionary individualistic daydream.
The US doesn’t have very many active fascists, it just has a swarm of reactionary liberals that play with fascist rhetoric.
However, I don’t see any logic here tied to the post. Do you think you rehabilitate fascists by holding your tongue and not criticizing them or something? How much success have you had “rehabilitating” fascists without criticism? What could thay even ever mean?
Lastly Amber knows this because she works with actual union members who aren’t ideologically consistent terminally online communists in general, but typically blue collar physically broken Amerifats who have no issue voting for Trump.
What union work does Amber do?
I do work with blur collar workers all the time and they are mostly incoherent, ignorant, and manipulable, not fascist.
We can talk about white people or reactionaries or whatever all we want till the cows come home, the real problem we ignore by doing that is that there are 322 million people in this country and only a teensy tiny bit are your glorious soviet-realist gang of comrades, less than like 1%. Slightly above the total votes that De La Cruz got in the 2024 election. The vast majority of them are various levels of idiotic reactionary. Being mad at them for their own stupidity is Democrat braincheerlead a .
Few socialists ignore the problem of small membership or our numbers. Nearly all of our strategies are around how to increase membership and to do more with less. The more idealist segments, socialists or socdem, are actually more in line with your line, here. The Democrat tailist strategy, the idea that you do not need principles or hard lines lest they alienate reactionary sentiment and that you grow by being “big tent” all the way up to, say, having no real position on Palestine, celebrating every union action regardless of its content (including anti-war groups applauding war machine machinists and attending their rallies with no plan to join or coopt). They end up having no lines at all and are just a reflection of bourgeois electoral politics, of bureaucratized captures unions and no plan to coopt or agitate within them, just to cheerlead where “the working class” is, which is reallt just a false stereotype spread by right wing media putsches.
Literally your answer is in your complaint: “Well you call them the scum of the earth, why wouldn’t they hate you” – literally a basic understanding of human communication.
A basic understanding of human communication would acknowledge that you must have an actual negative line on key reactionary sentiments and that you will have enemies based on that line. The question to ask is who are you going to recruit. If your strategy is to go for those who are already as far to the right as it gets, you will alienate everyone else and shoot yourself in the foot every time. This is not how anyone that actually does anything productive irl operates.
Half of this thread is saying how white people basically need to be John Brown to be good allies. I agree with that sure. How the fuck you actually gonna get them to do that though? Kill all the Non-John Browns? If the logical ends of your ideological thinking is that “everyone is just going to have to do the right thing and I’m not going to deal with icky people”, you’re no different than the Democratic Party’s core offering.
In the US, it takes a pipeline. Few people go straight from dedicated reactionary to communist, but they may take a path via SocDems or othet forms of liberalism. Often it is the fact that socialists are consistent allies of the margibalized that brings them to us, that we havr had a consistent line during theit journey. You do not attract those people through opportunism.
I’ll take all the downboats now.
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The reactionary character of many workers in the US comes primarily from being in the imperial core and from the settler-colonial situation within the US creating racial, gender, sexual, religious, ethnic, and nationalist antagonisms. It’s more complicated than just uniting the workers, because some workers are elevated to a special status by their placement within imperialism and settler-colonialism.
I’m not entirely pessimistic about this like Settlers, but the situation is very difficult. Vulgar workerism like Amber is presenting is not grounded in theory or material reality.
You might as well try to reform Israel. 🙄
We can not build a workers’ movement when a segment of the workers in the US are privileged by the distribution of superprofits and divided by the settler-colonial situation.
What we can do is agitate the colonized masses within the US and arm them with “theory”, and we can agitate settlers to betray settler-colonialism by doing the same. I’m not pessimistic, Fanon observed that people from the privileged racial caste can be agitated to become traitors to colonialism, but you have to recognize the actual material conditions to be able to do this.
Vulgar workerism is a failure to identify the primary contradiction within our specific context. That’s why reading theory is important.
I met Amber at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told her how cool it was to meet her in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother her and ask him for photos or anything. She said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but she kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing her hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard her chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw her trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “M’am, you need to pay for those first.” At first she kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, she stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, she kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
She literally hates friendless online Bernie leftists more than she hates reactionaries. I’ve also heard her speak longlingly about rightoids, but I can specifically remember like 4 different instances of her randomly getting worked up over “leftists with no friends” like a weird fixation. Like if you’re a lonely loser leftist, she despises you, but if you just turn 4chan alt right, she suddenly sympathizes with your plight.
