The EMMC on my PC-TV finally broke down and I’d like to replace it with something that doesn’t run an OS or will predictably fail with a countdown. But dumb TVs are hard to come by and monitors come at a premium at that size. I want to run a PC (DP/HDMI) and an SBC (HDMI) with it. I also have an S2 satellite cable, but that’s secondary. I’d like to have ~43", 16:9, 4K but without an embedded smart-hub, ideally running of eeprom-firmware, or just anything independent of write-cycles. But I can’t find any good options online. Are there companies for this. Comments and recommendations welcome.
Edit: I’m EU, hence the DVB-S2 cable. Scepter would be great, but doesn’t run on EU power.
Edit: I’ve pretty much settled on a philips 439P1/00. I’ll give it another day, but it seems good. The PC over DP is my main focus and I can connect my own SBC for streaming. It lacks freesync but has adaptive sync and basic HDR. Being an office-monitor, it has no smarts and at ~600 bucks with consumer warranty and support it fits what I’m asking for well. Industry-signage wasn’t really an option.
Are people aware that they can buy a smart TV and never conntect it to wi-fi and never plug in the ethernet? There is no risk if TV never gets an IP.
This. I have a nice 4k 120hz ‘smart TV’ that is not connected to anything. I use it only as a display for PC with external speakers. I’m pretty sure you can even do firmware updates without connecting anything but USB drive. Even if you have to connect to get updates, you can just disconnect it afterwards.
I might resort to this. It’s mainly just the e-waste potential that has me bothered. The OS will inevitable break after EOL, and the hardware becomes inoperable without the “hdmi-app”. The computer parts are usually dirt cheap and eventually break themselves even on minimal use.
It’s possible a smart TV will use its wifi to connect to another device of the same brand on its own. I’d read an article about it a couple years ago.
If I’m reading about it, that means a company has been working on it, and frankly it makes sense. If I were in their shoes I’d look into making it happen. It’s pretty trivial to do when you think about it.
Not that I think it’s happening in the wild, just an idea to keep in mind.
Also, those devices are always capturing data. So if/when they ever connect, that data will get uploaded.
There is no meaningful data for the OS to capture if it used as a display for externally connected devices.
The only way to have 100% privacy on all devices is not have internet service.
There is no meaningful data for the OS to capture if it used as a display for externally connected devices.
Except that some of these devices are periodically “screenshotting” the screen and harvesting data from that.
Pair that with automatically connecting to open wifi networks and nothing is truly safe.
Many tvs have microphones built into them or their remotes.
Some are even sending screenshots of what they are displaying to their backend servers.
I think what they were talking about is the TV actively scanning for similar models and connecting to those to reach the internet. I’ve read similar articles showing how smart TVs will even connect to an open WiFi network to try to get online.
All this would bypass your LAN restrictions of course.
Every TV is a dumb TV of you don’t connect it to the internet.
I do recall there being tvs with baked-in ads that play on startup even without internet service, but i was unable to easily find the reference. Also, many smart tv interfaces are much slower than dumb tv on-screen menus, so there is that.
Yeah this is true. The TCL TV I have has an ad for Deadpool when I turn it on. It’s a dumb TV in the sense of it’s not connected to the Internet but it still has these from the brief period of time where it wasn’t during setup. The ROKU tvs are even worse imo it has like weird scrolling banner ads as a TV screensaver. We have a Roku TV as well.
Honestly fuck all the manufacturers I don’t even want a damn ‘smart’ TV and I’m also pissed at everyone else that enables this by not caring. I guess I helped perpetrate it also but I had no choice I would have bought differently if I could. A lot of people don’t mind having non-stop ads jammed down their throats though even by objects they own. The only time I think my TV should be showing me ads is if it’s literally free.
Ours had a really sluggish menu with ads until we disconnected it from the internet. Now it has zero ads and the menu to switch sources is as fast as it should be.
I wish I had never connected it to begin with though. I didn’t know better. It used to default to whatever console was on, but it updated and no longer does that for some shitty reason. So I have to go through the menu and manually switch sources now. Probably to make sure I saw all the ads before using my playstation. Assholes.
I don’t know, but if good smart TVs are cheaper than good dumb ones, you might consider ignoring/disabling the smart bits. I might go so far as to sever the Wi-Fi/Bluetooth antennas.
Tom’s Guide: Dumb TVs — here’s why you can’t find them anymore
That’s because, for a number of reasons, it’s cheaper and more profitable for TV makers to simply include a smart platform with every TV they ship out. It’s actually a major reason why TVs have become so much cheaper in the last decade — with a smart platform, TV makers can sell the hardware at cost or even take a small loss, but in the end make money through the advertising that shows up on the homescreen.
This is the advice I usually give. I hate the concept of smart TVs, but I’m not willing to spend more when I can just ensure my Hisense U8K never connects to the internet. It’s a gorgeous and completely affordable display for the quality it provides, and there are no relevant features that are unavailable because it’s offline.
Don’t tell that out loud, they may decide to block features of we don’t connect it.
At 43" you’re in luck, and not needing a tuner, there are still some options
https://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/BDM4350UC_27/brilliance-4k-ultra-hd-lcd-display
Also: Samsung - Odyssey Neo G7 43"
I have a 43-inch Insignia N10 that works great in exactly that role. Dumb TV with HDMI inputs, audio outputs, and that’s about it. Best Buy’s in-house brand, it was like 120 bucks about a year ago, when my Vizio TV from 2003 finally died in a way I couldn’t fix :(
The built-in speakers aren’t great, definitely recommend hooking it up to something else.
