Very common it seems for songs to change keys into a higher one but I dont think I’ve really ever heard something doing a descending modulation or key change…

closest I can think of is Strawberry Fields by The Beatles but my understanding is that is Varispeed or something, not really sure what the heck is happening in that song other then its gradually flattening but not sure what that even is

4 points

Totally unrelated but it’s so funny how Lemmy one day will show you 20,000 cat photos and the next it’ll ask about music ‘key modulation’ or Linux ‘btfs formatting’. It’s so interesting learning about peoples interests

permalink
report
reply
4 points

Oh! Charles Cornell just did a video on this!

TLDR: Africa by Toto, along with a bunch of their other songs.

permalink
report
reply
3 points

“Wandering Boy” by Randy Newman does something like what you’re describing.

permalink
report
reply
3 points

IIRC, it makes the song sound like it is losing energy, which is usually not a desired effect.

permalink
report
reply
9 points

I’ve lived through far too many of these songs to know so little about the genre, but I believe, this applies to many polkas.
They like to end on a hearty, cozy note, so they want the warmer sound of a downward modulation.

I think, a common structure is something like:

  1. Chorus b-flat
  2. Chorus b-flat
  3. Some intermezzo, like commonly a bass solo
  4. Chorus d-flat
  5. Chorus d-flat, but in forte
permalink
report
reply
3 points
*

Whats the classic polka to suggest? I always knew I was Bohemian lol

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points
*

Oh man, I figured a question like that would follow. Now I gotta listen to polka to remember what the songs were like. 😅

So, I only know the German titles, and these are like the low-hanging fruit, the pop songs of the polka genre. I’m sure, some polka connoisseurs would have wildly different suggestions.

Kind of the most stereotypical always-getting-played polka is “Böhmischer Traum”. It largely follows the structure I wrote out up there, although it actually puts a load of complexity on top.

Then the polka that always got the most excitement out of the crowd when we played it, is “Die Sonne geht auf”.
It’s a relatively non-standard polka, though, with relatively much influence from marching music, and somewhat more concert style, i.e. not really something you’d dance to.

Well, and for a polka that really follows that structure almost to a tee (with e-flat instead of d-flat), there’s the “Kuschel-Polka”.

Some others we frequently played: Morgenblüten, Slavonicka-Polka, Wir Musikanten, Böhmische Liebe, Südböhmische Polka
I’ll leave it as an exercise for the reader to find out, if these ones actually match the structure above. 🙃

Edit: Oh, I forgot another pretty much always-getting-played polka: “Auf der Vogelwiese”

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Can you think of any other musical forms or genres that are characteristic of downwards modulation?

permalink
report
parent
reply

Music Production

!musicproduction@sh.itjust.works

Create post

This is Music Production. A place to share anything and everything you want about your music making journey! Learning is the goal, so discussion is encouraged!

RIP Waveform.

Rules are as follows:

  1. Don’t share other people’s music without commentary, analysis or questions. This is not a music discovery community.
  2. No elitism or bigotry towards other people’s music tastes. Be polite in disagreement.

I will update rules as necessary, but I promise we’ll stay light on them and only add new ones after discussion!

Here are some useful examples of what a great post would be about:

(in no particular order)

  1. Stuff you made/are making. Get valuable feedback and criticism!
  2. Learning resources - videos, articles, posts on any topic concerning a production process, be it composition, sound design, sampling, mixing, mastering, DAW workflow or any other.
  3. Free plugins, presets and samplepacks. Giveaways and self-made stuff included!
  4. News about production software, releases and personalities.
  5. Questions and general advice about music production.
  6. Essays on your favorite productions. Inspirations and insights!
  7. Your physical analog gear! Let us know how it performs!

Good to know: As a general word of caution, avoid posting complete compositions, mixes and tracks on the internet before backing them up on a remote and reputable server. Even small snippets or watermarked tracks should be posted AFTER backing it up to cloud. Timestamps from cloud services will help you in case of theft. And, as a public resource, lemmy is not a safe place to post your unpublished work, so please make sure your work is protected.

Community stats

  • 80

    Monthly active users

  • 44

    Posts

  • 103

    Comments