Tldr: going after guns, not violence. Remember its the tool not the action
Tldr: going after guns, not violence. Remember its the tool not the action
The release says the exact opposite of what you imply in the tldr. If anything, this release outlines an attempted compromise.
We need to keep guns out of the hands of idiots. My neighbors should have been “red flagged” years ago. They have a long history of domestic violence and other drug and alcohol related charges. It probably would have prevented the husband from blowing his wife’s brains out two days ago. In front of a kid, no less.
Red flag laws aren’t about people who currently have convictions. If your neighbors were previously convicted then they probably can’t legally have guns in the first place.
Red flag laws are about taking guns away from someone before they have a conviction/even do anything.
I don’t want any more of this faux “compromise” bullshit handed out by gun grabbers. Our rights have been compromised enough with not a single damn thing to show in return. It isn’t a compromise when they just do half of what they want and kick the other half down the road as a loophole they need to close.
So yes, you support red flag laws. No due process, nothing like that, right? Surely that would never back-fire, right? Nope, no ability for it to be abused.
I swear, you leftists just don’t understand that whoever leads today might not be the leader tomorrow.
FWIW, I basically have a full armory in my basement. Just some context for you, bud.
Also, you are generalizing my political beliefs as “you lefties” or “leftist”. That really makes you look stupid. Comparing my beliefs to your perception of an entire group is a great summary of your mindset.
Multiple convictions of domestic violence, public intoxication and child abuse should have been a red flag. That kid in my real life example should have been separated from that house years ago as well. Don’t try and twist my words for your narrative.
You, as in you, seem to not understand that my rights end where yours begin. Also, there are more big words in the constitution and bill of rights other than “shall not be infringed”. (You seemed like you wanted to say that, but that is speculation.)
When you said the fear mongering point of “how far will they take it”, you fail to realize that there are right and left groups that are fighting for the right to bear arms. I’ll be right there fighting for a persons rights if laws were illegally used.
I’m curious to know what you would propose to address the ever increasing gun violence happening in the US. The solution can’t be ‘nothing’ because ‘nothing’ is not working.
Before you reply, understand that I am not the original poster which you replied to and my values, unexpressed as they are, are different from theirs.
I would propose that it’s entirely pointless to focus on gun violence specifically because it’s defined not by what makes it a problem (the violence) but rather by the arbitrary tool involved (guns). You could reduce gun violence to zero, and nothing would be better if the overall violence stayed the same. Which literally all available evidence demonstrates that it would, as you’re not the first person to want authoritarian gun grabbing in place.
Well first, I would focus on violence, not gun violence.
And we are in one of the most peaceful times in all of history. It started going up in 2020, which coincides with covid.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate
My personal thought is that there’s other factors involved, namely the effects of covid, and the effects of the response to covid. A stressed person is much more likely to be violent than an unstressed person.
Of course without a proper study, its impossible to be certain.
Actual TLDR: -Fund programs to encourage states to adopt red flag & safe storage laws. -Crack down on firearms theft within the common carriers. -Encourage less leeway for FFL errors. -Funding for ballistic analysis studies & a victims of crime fund. -Try to renew undetectable firearms act.
Op being combative aside. The suspension of any rights or takings of any item after a court hearing the subject isn’t informed of or entitled to attend absolutely is problematic. And has 2nd, 4th, 5th, & 6th amendment implications.
Tldr: going after guns, not violence. Remember its the tool not the action
Complaining is easy. Do you have an actual solution in mind that addresses the root cause?
In the end, all conservative complaints about gun control make a joke of the “protect the kids” arguments you guys use. You care more about guns and their unrestricted access than the lives of children.
That jackass didn’t actually read the release. He summarized the exact opposite of the intent.
That account is a constant source of spewing bullshit, btw.
Oh absolutely. But even if they were correct on the “going after guns not violence” part, it’s still a terrible take.
Guns are just a tool? Cool, then they should be regulated just the same way other dangerous tools are, through required safety training/licensing, and prevention of ownership for people who are likely to misuse it.
My solution is that there isn’t a problem with gun violence, there’s a problem with violence.
Violence which is caused by systemic racism.
Violence which is caused by systemic racism.
Claiming that all shootings are the result of systemic racism is a huge claim. Do you have evidence to support that?
And how do you intend that we solve said systemic racism?
Do you have evidence to support that?
Can we not be super pedantic? A lot of violence is fueled by systemic racism, happy?
And how do you intend that we solve said systemic racism?
Thats the million dollar question, isn’t it?
the tool not the action
Why can’t I own a nuke?
You can. Just get the permits from the Dept of Energy, and pay the 200 dollar tax stamp for a destructive device.
Its so expensive, it effectively acts like a ban.
Lmao, laughing at armed Americans from the safety of my European -guns-free-state.
Keep on killing yourselves, United States of America. Keep being united by the hate and fear you feel for everything around you and the world will surely be better in the future /s
Spoken like only a clueless European that thinks what they read is how it actually is here. Sad.
Makes no difference, you don’t punish the law abiding for what less than the 1% does. How many people die every year thanks to irresponsible alcohol use and DUI’s? Is Prohibition the answer? Should the 99% not be able to have a glass of wine or beer after work because a minorty decided to be immature asshole? How about everybody lose their drivers license? Blame the car while you’re at it. Do spoons make people fat? Where does your broken logic end?
There’s not a responsible gun owner alive that would ever advocate for children getting their hands on a gun, or even untrained unsafe adults from owning and carrying them. We have a social issue where sick people don’t get the help they need because all the signs are there and nobody cares, a legal system run by people like our now vice President that refuse to take criminals off the street, and a child protective services that won’t remove kids from homes they shouldn’t be in. Much easier from a political standpoint to blame everything other than the problem because laws are easy to enact, and doing so shuts up the ignorant people who do what you’re doing, too bad it does nothing to solve the problem.
