Make your voice heard. Tell your government that chatcontrol is not something that we will agree on!

Links: EU document Links:patrik breyer website

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I’m not even a European and yet I can see that this is going to be one of those on again, off again fights until they finally wear people down far enough that they don’t voice their outrage and get it passed.

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yeah the elites who run the world have limitless money for the lobbying. I don’t think it’s possible to win this war on their turf under their rigged rules. Revolution is the only way but I don’t think that’s a realistic possibility neither. They have so many ways to divide and conquer.

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Who stands to benefit from this ruling though?

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Politicians, who will inevitably use this to swat people disagreeing / criticising the ruling power.

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“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping a human face… forever.” - Some book or something.

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It’s getting harder and harder to win this fight. I’m Romanian and I’m afraid on sunday our poor/uneducated people will vote for the far right. I don’t even have any idea if I can leave for other country because everywhere you look the far right is gaining political territory.

FUCK NAZIS! FUCK FASCISM!!

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This is more of a government versus the people fight. No matter what form of government it is. Citizens should have privacy. Although they do not seem to be willing to fight for it. But all governments, no matter what type they are, want control.

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Agreed, I’m pretty certain some right wingers don’t want random people snooping around their private stuff as well.

And most people are unwilling to fight due to this being covered up, with the likes of save the children, or combating the terrorists.

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8 points

Once it passes, whether it be this year or 10 years from now, people are just going to have to decide to break the law. If everybody breaks the law and there’s basically no possibility of enforcement, then the law doesn’t matter.

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they also make extreme examples of anyone threatening to “blow it up”, show the public all the corruption and give freedom to the people. Edward Snowden is an example. Also recently Roman Storm the Tornado Cash dev. These extreme attacks from the government are meant to cause fear so no one dares to do anything like that again.

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It’s not some break towards fascism. It’s more like liberal capitalism has always had a fascist tendency and right now the western elite feels pressured everywhere so they let the mask slip and start easing in the policies of the periphery back to the core, just to keep power. This chat control is there to both allow easier crackdowns, but most of all make everybody feel that they are being watched and are less likely to start any shit against the status quo and submit, as if in a panopticon.

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5 points

Come to the swiss alps 😊

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Because the Swiss have famously never been fans of Nazis…

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Well, up there, it does not really matter, what they do down here…

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It blows my mind that the EU even considers anything Orban says. He is on Russia’s side in a war where the EU is supporting Ukraine. And has led Hungary to a level of authoritarianism that no longer coincides with the EU rules of acceptance. It isn’t shocking that this nazi would bring back a “law” so he has more control over his citizens. What is sad is that so many other EU countries think it is a good thing. It is an obvious and egregious attack on privacy, something the EU has defended in the past. It is a shame that world-wide the pendulum is swinging the wrong way.

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And this is something we see, with eu elections ads just a year ago urging us to consider how fragile the peace and democracy we have actually is.

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This was never Orban’s or Hungary’s idea, it is something the previous presidency could not implement due to the lack of time and it’s now Hungary’s role to talk about it because the presidency is currently held by Hungary. This doesn’t change the fact that there are many EU members that are in support of the idea if implemented well. Anyhow, it’s not just for controlling citizents but legally keeping political opponents at check, which is even worse.

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Organized child porn rings don’t use e-mail or messenger services, but rather secret self-operated forums. With its plans for chat control, the EU Commission is putting the general security of our private communications and public networks, business secrets and state secrets at risk out of short-term surveillance desires. What we need is removals instead of snooping!”

This is so true, I don’t get how anyone can find the governments actions justifiable. Which pedophile that has at least one single braincell actually use unencrypted email providers like gmail, and without any additional encryption such as PGP? This does more harm than good.

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Not that I support this type of legislation, but I think you would be surprised how dumb sexual deviants often are.

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Beware of reverse survivorship bias. We’d know relatively little about the smart deviants if they rarely get caught.

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17 points

Elon Musk removed a flight tracker twitter account after it showed that he visited Epstein island

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This is so stupid. Messengers offer easy access to E2EE, but they are not the only way to make it work. So doing this changes nothing, even assuming you need E2EE to distribute illegal material.

And I want to stress this is not even true. Or can I not just go on the internet and download a movie, which is definitely illegal and aggressively persecuted?

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This comment assumes good faith. That is probably a mistake.

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