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The people pointing out the women killed by bears vs men stats a few months ago need to understand this as well lol

Like I am fine if you want to meme or dunk on men but once you bring bad stats into it that’s when I get serious.

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Men kill more women than bears even adjusted per encounter.

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I’m not here to argue about the bear metaphor, but this claim seems spurious at best. Even if there’s only 1 fatal bear encounter per 10 years, the number of bear encounters is so low that I don’t think this statistic can possibly be true. Do you have anything to back up your claim, or is this just a gut feeling sort of thing?

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Wait why are we killing bears?

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Fits of jealousy.

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Do they? That’s hard to believe but if they did the stats right then feel free to share. How do you even measure the number of encounters?

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Unfortunately, Steve’s data is wholly anecdotal. He’s killed 8 of the 10 women he’s ever met, see…

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It’s obtuse to treat the bear metaphor as a math problem. It’s doubly so to correct the work.

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But would you rather be alone in the woods with a statistician or a bear?

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The first time I saw the man or bear question, I assumed it was a setup for victim blaming. Neither choice is going to be a win for the woman.

Based on experiences, she doesn’t trust men so she picks bear? How dare she judge all men. So illogical!

Or she picks man? Then she should be prepared for an inevitable assault because eventually the man in the woods will be one of the bad ones and she should have known. She should have been more careful or just stayed home!

The whole thing was never a maths question. It was a rage bait question to rile up men who hate women and to give women an unwinnable binary choice. The only “winning” answer is to decline to play this stupid game.

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no, it was a question to illustrate how women feel about safety around men. the rage came from male fragility. the refusal to understand a simple premise doesn’t make the “game” stupid.

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I assume that part of the intent with these type of scenarios is to draw attention to toxic masculinity by baiting out toxic responses, which is fine and obviously it’s effective if that is the intent. However, any attempt to respectfully disagree with the premise was also treated as toxicity and that just made me not want to engage with feminists or the discourse at all, which seems counter-productive.

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The new women in mens fields trend is the same thing. Its there to agravate people by doing the thing people claim to hate just to a different group. Equality does not mean every one gets a turn at being the opresser and I can see why young people start to consider themself anti feminists if these two trends are the most interaction you’ve ever done with feminism. Which is likely since I don’t really see any other big social media movements for it.

Maybe its not my place to critisize the way they choose to operate but all im saying is if you told me both of those trends were Russian plots to stoke anger at feminists I’d believe you easily.

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Tell me you’re old without telling me you’re old :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmGXeAtWUw

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All good points I hadn’t considered! However, some people did try to turn it into a math problem which I had to object to at that point, since they were doing it wrong.

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Appreciate the link, but damn is that low-effort surrealism

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Like I am fine if you want to meme or dunk on men

That’s pretty F’ed up

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Is it? Men as a class are privileged. I’m fine with punching up.

Note this does not apply to individuals and certain subsets of men who may be relatively less privileged (gay men, black men, etc.)

Why do you think it’s fucked up? What’s the harm?

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You’re asking what the harm in bigotry is?

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yeah I think the way I always read that question was in the hundred duck sized horses vs one horse-sized duck sense. The average woman passes by, say, in public, hundreds of men per day in a city, right? I read that question (and the implication) that they’d prefer from a safety standpoint if each one of them was a bear, which is more of a video game premise than a situation anyone would survive.

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Realistically it’s carnists that murder the most animals by any statistic.

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Nah that’d be other animals, if you just count large mammals then yeh humans probably beat out everything else combined but predators of rodents, small sea creatures and insects almost certainly outdo us by orders of magnitude.

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It’s hard to put into words how stupid that original take about coyotes in a corral even dares to be.

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Good thing shaking babies doesn’t kill you then, or that stat might be even higher

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No one shakes a vending machine. Its part of gen-x schooling to learn you rock the machine back just a bit and then let it settle back on its feet.

What are they teaching kids now, if not that?

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I only know Vending Machine lore from Hollywood because they’re a lot rarer where I’m from so in my head “vending machine = shake” checks out.

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My GenX uncle broke his shoulder checking a vending machine over a Snickers bar

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Dude needs more calcium, or possibly more Vitamin D3

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Or an anger management class

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No, you punch it until it releases your goods.

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Um, there were more than a few Gen X that got hurt by vending machines. We didn’t have an immunity to that.

However, a skill we did have to exploit vending machines in the pre-digital age was to learn which alternating buttons you could press rapid-fire to get two sodas instead of one.

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I know some (genX) people who discovered a neat trick to dislodge all the contents of a vending machine. Involves at least two people and a 2x4. I wouldn’t call what is done “shaking” per se, but you can be sure when the vending machine gets set back down, it feels mighty shaken up. And also empty.

But that would be dangerous, so don’t do it.

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Why would smashing the glass require two people?

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Its not glass, it’s typically acrylic and doesn’t shatter easily. And no, the machine was typically left unharmed, if bereft.

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