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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
As much as I want to believe all the conspiracies… the arrest happened in Pennsylvania… and since it was at a food place after a tip, there was no time to bring in pre-screened cops. And the odds that the local law enforcement would not leak that they planted evidence and such in this high profile case are about nil. Those local cops don’t like the snutty feds anyway, so they have plenty of motivation to leak any shenanigans.
If it was a setup and they chose their guy in advance, then there was time to bring in pre-screened cops. In fact, there was time to interview a small time cop, brief him on the promise of a bright career ahead of him if he keeps this one little thing on the down low, and make sure he was the closet beat cop when their chosen mark went out.
Have you seen the incompetence of our government? Not buying that they could pull that off.
Well they haven’t pulled it off yet. Their story is already full of holes. The feds expect us to believe he perfectly planned the murder with a 3D printed disposable gun, and was then caught two states away with that same gun? It doesn’t make any sense.
Who phoned in the tip? Was it “anonymous”? How long did it take police to get there?
A lot of people on all platforms trying to explain why he kept his gun, why he was caught so easily, and most coming up with easy explanations that fit their conspiracy theories.
The simple explanation is, he might be smarter than most, but maybe not enough to outsmart the whole NYPD police department. Maybe he kept his gun because he didn’t want to leave a trace. Maybe he wanted to get caught peacefully in a McD rather than dying in a shooting.
Also, to those who still don’t believe he’s the killer: he is. Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”. There’s a whole judicial process that goes on after the arrest, and if he’s found not to be the killer, the police will have to go back to square one on a cold trail. They usually don’t want that.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
Hahaha oh man i needed a good laugh today. https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/4692-cops-planting-evidence.
You have all too much faith in the US policing system and the sheer amount of money pressure bearing down on it at this very second to make an example out of this man.
He DID outsmart the whole NYPD. The only reason he was caught was a couple of randos in a Pennsylvania McDonalds.
Remember this bit from the Mayor?
"When asked by a reporter if police had the suspect’s name, Adams said, “We don’t want to release that now. If you do, you’re basically giving a tip to the person we are fine with seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask.” "
Yeah, turns out, they had no clue.
Also, to those who still don’t believe he’s the killer: he is. Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
How long have you lived in America? Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project? I mean we literally just executed a black man in Sept that was very likely innocent of the crime he was convicted of. Even the prosecutor wanted to stop the execution.
You’re questioning how innocent people being imprisoned or executed is related to false evidence? OK, here one that’s specific to planting evidence.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
Google: Robert Lee Stinson
Some dude got convicted of nothing but a “teeth mark” psudoscience BS.
That was a low-profile case. This is a high-profile case, which has higher incentives to find a scapegoat.
High-profile case also means more scrutiny from everyone, which means there’s a bigger risk someone finds out what they did.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat"
Yikes, how cringe. And in the most public way possible. Hope you recover from this huge mistake someday soon.
Don’t worry. Just like every other bootlicker on the Internet, the PTB have seen their loyalty, and shall lift them on high to live out their halcyon days in Valhalla.
Well I guess that’ll teach me to try to have a rational and respectful discussion with a random stranger on the internet.
Calm down, smoke a bowl, read books on critical thinking and question the narrative even when if fits your worldview.
Of course the police plant evidence on people. There’s plenty of evidence of that occurring.
I know they do, but they usually keep it somewhat subtle because the goal is to reinforce the bad guy image of someone they already know is guilty (but can’t prove). Planting the main piece of evidence such as a gun is risky.
It makes perfect sense for this to be a frame up because one of the incriminating items was a “Recently Used Ghost Gun”, a cheaply made 3D Printed gun that leaves no special marking on the bullet and can only really be used once. They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly, which is why some congressmen want to see restrictions on 3D Printers.
This raises an interesting question: How the fuck is he dumb enough not to dispose of the gun that was meant to be disposed? And has two answers: He’s just that fucking stupid or The evidence was planted
I’m also sceptical of the ghost gun thing. AFAIK the only real ghost gun is an FGC9 which is about the size of a submachine gun and is definitely not what is seen in the video.
You’re unaware of the existence of 3d printed Glock lowers? That’s all it was
What’s the point in those beyond a tech demo though? Don’t they use so much of the donor gun that it’s effectively no different to just scrubbing the serial number but with a lot more effort?
“Ghost gun” is just a pejorative term invented to make “homemade firearm” sound more spooky. You have taken propaganda hook, line, and sinker. The only difference between a “ghost gun” and a regular gun is whether it was serialized by a licensed manufacturer. While there are a few extremely niche homemade guns that could be categorized as “disposable,” the vast majority are Glock- or AR-pattern firearms that use a full complement of factory parts.
It costs as much or more to finish your typical “ghost gun” than it does to build or buy a serialized firearm. They will also typically leave all the marks you’d usually expect on bullets and casings, because all the same parts touch the same way they do in a serialized firearm.
You don’t seem very knowledgeable about the gun used in this situation.
All articles about what was found on him kept mentioning a metal slide and barrel along with a regular Glock mag, that heavily implies it was just a 3d printed Glock lower so basically just a regular Glock. The only way it would “leave no special markings on the bullet” would be if he used a gun with a plastic barrel, but I believe the FBI said shortly after the og liberator was released that it leaves enough plastic behind to be traceable.
In practice the gun is a regular Glock, that would be easily identified as not being legal in a few states. My guess would be that they weren’t getting rid of it because it’s still a perfectly serviceable firearm and he might have been planning on using it again or at least it probably seemed like a good thing to have when he was in fight or flight mode.
If you really want to get rid of evidence the metal barrel is going to be the most important thing to get rid of as far as being linked to a shooting. Ghost gun is just bad in general unless you are in one of the states that says it’s fine
cheaply made 3D Printed gun
You could, if you were so inclined, make a rather nice 3D printed gun. Just saying.
that leaves no special marking on the bullet
No firearm on Earth actually does this, not even commercially made ones. The fantasy of “microstamping” has been just that, purest fantasy, ever since it was dreamed up by (I believe) some California legislators that were equally out of touch with reality. Forensic ballistic analysis does not work that way. In almost all cases, you cannot identify a gun by a recovered bullet or casing. You can, however, potentially match a casing or recovered bullet to a gun you already have in your possession.
and can only really be used once.
This is patently false, unless you suck at printing and assembling your gun.
They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly
Tons of people design and print their own guns purely as a hobby. Furthermore, before the advent of 3D printers plenty of people manufactured their own firearms without the aid of any such device – again, largely as a hobby or to have complete control over the manufacturing tolerances of their gun. Making highly tuned 1911 “race guns” for competition shooting is and was very popular, for instance.
They don’t need to plant money. The physical evidence is more than enough.
They’ve got DNA, fingerprints and probably the gun. I wouldn’t call that circumstantial
That’s what they said… Do you believe everytbing government and media tells you now?
That’s all circumstantial evidence.
But then again, circumstantial evidence simply means “not eyewitness evidence”. It does not mean “unreliable evidence”, and people are convicted all the time based on circumstantial evidence.
They just want to make it look like he’s a flight risk so he is held without bail.
What? People being charged with murder get bail all the time.
Here’s two examples, because I was searching for the second and misremembered his last name as “Perry” instead of “Penny”, but conveniently there was another person subjected to a murder charge who also had a bail set.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/us/austin-blm-protest-shooting-indictment/index.html
Aimt it amazing how this guy gets caught with a full evidence package for prosecution?
Where is the body camera footage of the arrest?
Hmmm
