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Am from Italy, italians are the whitest of the whites. Rome, the church, the basis of modern Patriarchy and white supremacy was born and raised here folks

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the basis of modern Patriarchy

So pagans weren’t white?

white supremacy was born

The Norse?

What a weird definition you use

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white supremacy was born

The Norse?

Where in the world does that come from?

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Norse are the Scandinavians

I would say Northern Germanic but it might cause confusion with the country

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What I meant is simply that the roman empire and the Catholic church forged ideological colonial basis of today, not that racism didn’t exist before

Also I meant Patriarchy as an overarching colonial institution, not as an isolated cultural concept. The world wasn’t always universally like this, there are many examples of non (or less) patriarchal societies throughout history, and we don’t know enough about prehistory to make any definitive judgement on humanity

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What I meant is simply that the roman empire and the Catholic church forged ideological colonial basis of today, not that racism didn’t exist before

True but that doesn’t fit with your argument as a precondition to being white

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That’s great and all, but it means nothing to race theorists.

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Holy Roman Empire of German Nation was a thing once…

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I don’t know what you define as that demographic, but what I said is just the truth. The culture in Italy is very mixed and different between regions, but racism, both cultural and structural, is rampant, even between Italians of the north and south

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i disagree

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I wonder if this is partially a north/south italy divide thing (I don’t know all that much about Italy but I have heard the north was generally more privileged)

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I’m from Italy as well. I always like to remember a quote from Charles Mingus, who at some point in his career had an entire black band with the exception of his sax player, Charlie Mariano. When asked about it, he answered something along of the lines of “He’s not white, he’s Italian.”

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Maybe the social meaning of ethnicity is really relative to the racist empires they’re situated in and not on some sort of inherent value

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yea, its because the Italians (and Irish, Chinese, etc as well) generally came to America later and were poorer than the British/French/Germans etc were, so they were often discriminated against (plus the mafia thing, but that also generally comes from being poorer)

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The majority of Caucasians have African genes.

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It is and always has been a class war. The owners love us squabbling over skin color.

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It’s so ridiculous, too. As far as I can tell, he was arrested, because his clothes looked superficially similar to the person who shot the CEO, but if you spend five seconds comparing the security camera images, it’s pretty obvious that none of the clothing items actually match. If they hole him up based on this evidence, that’s embarrassing.

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Are you forgetting the silenced pistol and fake ID they found on him?

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Haha yes the ID and pistol that definitely existed and definitely weren’t planted.

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The pistol, ID, and manifesto that anybody on the run would’ve ditched in New York and could have well been in the hands of the police to be planted on whoever they saw fit?

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I guess, I’m not up-to-date on the situation then…

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Not even just the clothing. I mean, you can change clothes, and lighting can affect colors pretty wildly (see: white/gold or blue/black dress). I don’t think anyone can change the shape of their face, grow a unibrow, and get a darker complexion in the span of 3 days, though.

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Thanks. I didnt pick this up as reference to that.

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I’m latino and I still do not understand how the fuck you man manage to live always looking at whiteness. Such an hysteria with the skin color.

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Well obviously you can’t always look at the black ones, they disappear in the shadows. /joke

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Latinos also act prejudiced to those darker than them

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I can confirm, I’m also Latino and received various compliments on my skin color. And my friend would refuse to go to the mall in the affluent part of town complaining that she felt discriminated against because of her darker complexion even though she’s beautiful. It trips me out because people here swear up and down that racism doesn’t exist saying there’s only classism.

Edit to clarify that she felt discriminated against because of her skin color.

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Well I should have specified I’m not from US too. I realize there’s racism eveywhere but classism is worse here in southamerica I believe. We aren’t eveyday doing that colorism thing for sure.

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Yep, Jamaican here. Everyone is black, but there’s a huge problem with “bleaching” where people are whitening their skin color, as they perceive it to be of higher status.

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I think skin bleaching might be a rampant issue. iirc Africans and Asians also do it. Everyone seems to want lighter skin. Wonder if it’s due to Western influence.

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