“To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”
Post got removed in .world for not being a “news source” even though Klippenstein is definitely a very established independent journalist, so trying again here I guess.
Just remember which instance let you read this, and which one wouldn’t let you.
.ml doesnt need to host a bi monthly feud posts like .world does. Their moderator actions are all the advertisements we need. Make an account and export your settings today! Lemmy.ml
You won’t get banned from ML for that. You will get banned from .world for saying China does good things though
Was banned for exactly that from .ml way before most were even on it. Remember Prismo, yeah you don’t. .ml admins are single-handedly responsible for why Lemmy adoption is so poor.
Btw, Lemmy logs are transparent so it wouldn’t even take that long to prove you wrong but I’m not wasting my time here on this mess. Do it yourself if you truly want to know or chose to live in your own bubble of ignorance.
As long as you don’t blindly repeat things from the US state dept without any critical thoughts you’re fine. Look into things before you say them, China has plenty of issues, pick a real one.
China is perpetuating genocide against their uyghur muslim population.
Edit: lmao, fuckin gottem.
I’m on .ml and I’ve said plenty of critical stuff against China, the mods are chill and in general it’s been a really solid community.
That being said, I’m a hardcore leftist, so even though as an anarchist, I am strongly at odds with many statist solutions, I agree with the vast majority of leftist underlying critiques of sociopolitical issues.
What instance can I go to, so that I can freely say pure capitalism sucks, pure communism sucks, China / Russia governments suck. USA / Israel governments suck, every Islamic government sucks.
Bottom line is that most governments / authorities are shit, but there are levels to everything. And some are clearly worse than others.
I side with the people 99% of the time and I want an instance that sides / protects people not governments or ideologies.
Where can I find this?!
Your instance. That’s what is great about the fediverse is that if there isn’t an instance that meets your needs, you can host that niche yourself and still have access to the same content (assuming you can stay on good terms with the other instances)
Personally I don’t have a problem with Lemmy.world’s moderation choices but if I did, I could always self host. But quite frankly if I had to face the risk of hosting an instance, I’d probably make a lot of similar choices
It sounds like you lean anarchist? If so, I believe that https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/ is an anarchist instance?
I mean .world 100% sucks lol, and people should definitely move off it, but I’d also like people to move off .ml or any other general purpose instance since centralization on any one instance can cause issues imo. I’m considering switching off of .ee for the same reason. I think it makes more sense to have specific instances for specific things, so that the admins of one instance can have more domain specific knowledge ideally.
.world specifically does seem like they can’t go more than a few weeks without some kind of drama though lol.
This whole thing smells like horse shit. You hear so make stories about murderers ditching anything they had on them at the time of the crime. Rivers and lakes get dragged, forests are swept, every dumpster is turned upside down.
Yet, you’re going to tell me homie was 300 miles away carrying everything he had still on him from the crime AND a literal confession note? Are they sure he wasn’t waving air traffic controller sticks around on the freeway yelling, “IT WAS ME IT WAS ME”?
At the very least it seems incongruous with leaving the state afterwards. If he was that fatalistic about being caught why didn’t he just use a normal gun and drop it afterwards while he waited for the cops? He literally made a suppressed weapon and had a complex exit plan. That doesn’t match up.
Unless he was planning on targeting more. Then keeping the firearm might make some sense, as well as a note in case he’s caught that would explain his actions whether he’d killed 1 or 20 health insurance leeches.
Could have had another target on the list but also plans to do a full reveal if caught
I was wondering hard too. If i had done this, i wouldnt want this to be the end of it. Its not enough, nothing will change. None would do it again in the next 100yrs. I would try to make sure I did as much as I could.
Manifest in a time released something a week after I don’t reset the time (hence captured).guns n stuff hidden for the next job.
Out of interest, why do you think that?
It’s often said that school shootings are more prevalent because the media has hyped these people up to be martyrs, etching their names into history and being revered by those that agree.
Your country is no shortage of poor, ill whackos with easy access to weapons. If this Luigi dude does end up being charged, or perhaps even go through some legal fuckery because juries side with him against the word of law, what makes you think that someone in a similar situation doesn’t look at the next CEO on the list and shoot them in the back?
I’m actually surprised it took this long.
First off, I’m no murican, I just feel pity for them.l and cheered for Luigi. I am actually enjoying the best of healthcare for free.
I am also surprised it took that long, but still. I’m pretty sure it won’t happen again. And he will be put away for long and most likely not survive it. As to the why…it’s one thing to be a poor whacko with access to guns. It’s another thing to actually get mentally all the way to being at peace with ending your life basically, plan ahead and then even have the balls to actually pull the trigger. And even if, where are those people. You need to study their routine to find a good place to do it.
That’s probably why it’s so rare. The though-process to even get this far, the ethics to support it AND then the ability to act upon it.
Millions are pissed, but way too few fulfil the “requirements”. Probably even less after the example they might make of him.
Being a tech guy, I was wondering if he had a deadman’s switch set up to release something if he didn’t make a check in. That’s probably how I would go about it.
Is that 3 or 250 page copy?
Asking for a friend.
I have a weird feeling they are making this shit up as they go.
The info drip drives us where they want us talking at every turn.
Nobody is talking about the dead parasite or the corruption. I think they are looking for this to blow over.
Job is done, back to work peasants you got premiums to pay. Don’t ya?
The reporting I saw stated it was a 250-some-odd WORD manifesto, not pages.
286, same as the amount of people he was following on twitter, distance the McDonald’s was from the scene, and the Pokémon index id of the one in his Twitter banner.
Proverb 28:6
Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways.
I guess it depends on how you count…
262 words here:
https://www.tmz.com/2024/12/10/luigi-mangione-manifesto-revealed/
Also 262 words:
https://www.mediaite.com/crime/heres-the-brief-manifesto-luigi-mangione-addressed-to-the-feds/
Using your methodology, Proverbs 26:2
As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.
Hmm… I never did like the King James version.
https://morningstarinfosys.com/proverbs/
As the sparrow escapes, and the swallow flies away, so the undeserved curse will never hit its mark.
The furthest two points in Altoona and NYC are no more than 240 mi apart.
Making it up? Lemme tell you a secret:
If you want to fight this the easiest way is to blow the man up into legend status. Create a martyr. Play their game. Imo at least.
I am starting to lose faith that Luigi is the Adjuster tbh
Media is working too hard to protray Luigi as him but so far if we look at verifable facts:
- parasites gets done in NYC
- five days letter they apprehend a young man in PA
- Who happens to have the entire conviction start park on his person (could easily be planted by them) along with that YouTube video which they could have easily done to spice things ip Up
- he has been missing for a few weeks allegedly and has had health issues (this part is where they set him up so viable lead)
But where is the evidence that he actually did the job?
Couldn’t help but notice you in several threads doubting everything. Don’t think you ever bought any of it. You sound conspiratorial
I don’t know what’s so suspicious. The manifesto’s pretty clear and* to the point and what I’d expect. Certainly not what I’d expect some leech to make up to make him look crazy.
Strong point it is pretty direct and to the point. Apparently reddit suppressing it.
I am not sure why even try, this the hotest piece of text content released in decades or century
If he posted under his Twitter account, he would prolly hit 10millie subs within few days lol
Eh, it’s really not all that exciting. It’s more a note to police with a brief motive outline than a manifesto. That’s not a diss. With the words on the casings the act was manifesto in and of itself. In fact I think this gives a much smaller character attack surface than a long rambling manifesto could.
This sounds like a written confession or statement to the police, after he’s already in police custody. Not a “manifesto”, which is something justifying your actions to the public and done before carrying out whatever it is.
I’m not buying any of this. Someone who went to so much trouble planning, executing, and getting away without a trace, isn’t going to go out in public with a bunch of incriminating items on their person. The NYPD probably just picked this tip out of the thousands they got, and are making things fit after the fact.
I really find it to be quite absurd that people are still thinking this isn’t the guy. This is probably the guy. My basis for that is basically just that the shooter had a 200 dollar peak design redditor backpack and a uniqlo packable jacket when he shot that guy, and those are both heavily techbro-coded fashion items. That’s on top of all the internet history of this specific guy pretty much indicating that he’s the guy. Back problems, leading to a several month long disappearance, after he turns 26, and is no longer on his parent’s healthcare plan.
We can also look at it through the lens of just the assassination attempt itself. The news is saying they found either a 3d printed gun, or more commonly, a ghost gun (which I have not been able to find a consistent account of). In either case, that involves buying a mostly unregulated firearm upper, and then either finishing an “80%” pre-assembled lower with a drill press, or probably even a regular cordless drill, or just wholesale printing the entire lower of the gun yourself. Both of those, are also techbro-coded methods of obtaining a firearm. Compared to just buying a somewhat common firearm in a state where it’s pretty easy to get a gun a couple months before, and then shaving the serial numbers off the gun, or just getting a gun off the black market, or stealing one from someone, which all seem maybe easier than going the ghost gun route.
In the video itself, we see him struggle to cycle the gun manually, due what is probably a combination of using subsonic ammunition, and his suppressor, which I’m assuming did not have a nielsen device, or, a booster. Those are devices that are meant to help browning-style tilting barrel designs cycle much more reliably. They also tend to cycle less reliably with heavier baffled suppressors compared to much lighter, quieter, disposable, and easier to produce wipe-based suppressors.
His research and meticulously planned operation also consisted of shooting this guy in the back, in front of a camera, while this guy walked to his hotel. That’s a plan that has a high percentage chance of success, it’s the same way that you’d see many mob hits happen, but does it strike me as something which is particularly complicated or out of character for this guy, if he had a couple months to cook something up?
Based on the entire description of that chain of events, that would probably indicate that this is a somebody that’s had some amount of preparation but wasn’t some kind of professional or overwhelming genius. It could be the case that they dug around online for thirty minutes, happened to find a guy that had both disappeared for a couple months, had medical problems, was a little bit more conspiratorial, or rather, had incoherent politics, and would be the kind of guy who would dress in a peak design backpack and in a uniqlo jacket, and was ALSO a guy which was exiting new york at that time via bus. They would then have to plant evidence on him, which cops are known to do, but that’s all, legitimately, entirely possible. Is it more likely than this being the guy, based on everything we’ve seen from the video?
I would say no, probably not, this is probably the guy.
It’s really sad that this has attracted the nutcase community.
Like the story somehow isn’t wild enough, people are hopping on some crazy narrative about his eyebrows.
Very sad.
The conspiracy theorists fall for the same falacy that they accuse the media and cops of doing: That it’s only interesting because the victim was a CEO.
If this has been any other shooting, they wouldn’t be theorizing about the “message” or reasoning in his manifest. Every fucking murderer has a message or believes in a reason to do what they do.
Until the proven killer has confessed and stated an actual message, the whole thing is entirely made up by people who want to align the story to their own interest.
Yeah, it’s been really crazy. People have been trueanoning on this one just like people did with the trump shooting, even though that one was obviously also a pretty clear cut case. I think partially, it’s because people are wanting to be half-funny, and are basically just iterating on the joke of “oh, I saw him at bible study at the time! that couldn’t have been him!” and then sharing photo edits, right.
I think part of it is that everyone has been trained by true crime and fiction to think of all of these events as though they’re living in a tom clancy book, or something. They’re enraptured by the spectacularization of this event, and of all of the past of history, enraptured by the transformation of this event into a spectacle, so they get the feeling that, oh, oooh, something’s off, but I just can’t tell what. It always has to be some sort of increasingly more dramatic escalation, until there’s some sort of release of tension, because that’s how things work in fiction. In fiction, a guy isn’t allowed to just pull off a hit on a random unprotected CEO, ride his bike to central park, leave a backpack full of monopoly cash because he’s kind of cracked, get on a bus, and then go to a shithole in pennsylvania and then get busted over a mcdonald’s hash brown. That shit doesn’t happen in fiction, so it’s not allowed to happen in real life.
I think part of it is also some sort of idiot idea about, somehow, if they just question the narrative on this enough, it will cause the guy to be innocent, somehow just them being conspiratorial on social media will cause that if they cook on it hard enough.
Most of all, though, I think it’s sort of this desire to have the guy who shot that CEO get away, or be a different guy because, in the mind of your average person, that guy is some agent 47 super CEO hitman, that’s going to liberate us brokies from our shitty healthcare problems, when obviously that’s kind of a delusional escapist fantasy.
Basically, none of this is allowed to be actually real. This isn’t a real event, in the mind of your average person. This is a media event, it’s being treated like one. Much like that, you can cook up fanfictions, but it doesn’t change the base media product, and you have to know that you can’t do anything to affect the thing itself, it’s set in stone and it’s unchangeable and it’s totally ethereal and out of your grasp.
That’s sort of partially why I think this isn’t going to change anything, and, though I think maybe a repeat might happen, I’m not holding my breath. Because while everyone can recognize the problem, everyone, in classic american style, wants some superman to come and save them, and is willing to do nothing, or put anything on the line, in order to really save themselves or others.
I really find it to be quite absurd that people are still thinking this isn’t the guy
This guy doesn’t know about jury nullification.
The crazy part about jury nullification is that if I was someone who was wanting to engage in it I probably wouldn’t be posting my opinions about the case online in a public fashion because that could easily be used as something to dismiss me from the case. That’s like a step away from bringing it up to the judge in the courtroom. They’re probably already gonna select a bunch of random boomers who have no idea what’s going on to comprise the jury anyways, since they can just do that if they want to, in the same way that the jury can just decide someone’s guilty or not. So that whole conversation is kind of moot.
My basis for that is basically just that the shooter had a 200 dollar peak design redditor backpack and a uniqlo packable jacket when he shot that guy, and those are both heavily techbro-coded fashion items. That’s on top of all the internet history of this specific guy pretty much indicating that he’s the guy. Back problems, leading to a several month long disappearance, after he turns 26, and is no longer on his parent’s healthcare plan.
The number of black-haired white guys who wear this clothing, are interested in tech, had health problems, and have been screwed over by insurance companies isn’t a small number. There’s probably thousands of them in any given US city.
You are doing the thing where the media is all pointing at a single person, and trying to convict them based on non-material-evidence factors: clothing, blurry pictures, ideology, “motivation”, etc. None of those things link this person to the crime scene. If they showed you all the other tips and candidates they’ve gotten in the past week that fit the bill, I doubt you’d be so sure.
You are doing the thing where the media is all pointing at a single person, and trying to convict them based on non-material-evidence factors: clothing, blurry pictures, ideology, “motivation”, etc. None of those things link this person to the crime scene.
Remember folks the state has to convince the jury and the public he pulled the triggered.
They have provided nothing to link him to the scene of the crime besides fake news headlines.
Trust me bro, he did it!
I say all that in my comment, but, it’s not just that this guy is a techbro, there are some other factors that make it so he’s probably the guy. With those, I just think that it’s probably more likely that this is the guy, than that it isn’t. I don’t really see a need to theorize that this isn’t the guy based on how the guy in the video is some sort of crazy criminal mastermind, when he also hits up a starbucks right before, as well as a bunch of other evidence in the video itself that this is probably a somewhat average, if maybe uncommon, guy. i.e. it easily could just be a techbro.
From what the news has told us, which is really all we have, this guy fits the bill pretty solidly. We’ll see with the dna, ballistics, and fingerprint, but we also know that’s historically not really conclusive evidence either. The best you could do is that this guy fits the specific timeline, which we’ve heard less about relative to everything else, though from what we have heard, he does seem to fit pretty well. This entire issue, the issue of being able to conclusively tell who’s done a crime at what time, that’s part of why the justice system needs reform, because it’s very likely that you could just get this all wrong. I can acknowledge that reality, and also acknowledge that, based on what is publicly available so far, this guy is probably the guy.
I dunno, the idea that this random guy, who’s reading and posting shit about the unabomber’s manifesto on his goodreads, and happened to be passing through new york via hostel and then greyhound at this time, is just some random guy, I dunno. With modern social media, I think we really start to strain credibility that this isn’t the guy. You would have to have a very convenient fall guy for that to be the case. It probably would’ve been easier to just catch any random schizo techbro inside of new york and then throw a gun and prewritten manifesto at that guy, to be honest, if the nypd or fbi just wanted some random dude to bag and throw away to pretend like they’re capable. Like you said, you could find them by the thousands.
There does seem to be inconsistency between the shooter meticulously planning things out and then this guy conveniently popping up at a McDonalds with all the gear and confessing. Seems like the first thing you’d do would be to ditch the gun and the silencer. If the gun was 3d printed, he could’ve literally just melted it down. On the flip side, if he wanted to get caught then he didn’t have to do all this complex planning and could’ve just stayed at the scene and surrendered.
Yep, the cops and US news are trying to get everyone to ignore all these glaring inconstencies.
They fucked up, let the guy slip through their fingers, and now are trying to do damage control.
I had a similar vibe but can’t quite put my finger on it though.
To the Feds,
This intro just does not feel right, He sounds like fedi/reddit poster with that intro. I have not seen a lot of his social media post but he did not have that tone in his posts, at least not public ones.
There people around fedi who I can see saying it though lol. As if he feds, searched online on how to sound like a plausible corpo hater. “parasite” is also a nice touch, I see that shit daily on here…
Also, why the fuck would this man give two fucks to discuss the tool for the job. I was on the fence but I am not longer buying it is his work or if he even did it.
In country with 330m people, there must have reviewed many fact patterns that could have fit like glove purely from mathematically probably. His disappearing is likely made him an easy target, now it is on him to account for his where abouts.
I dont want to get my hopes up. I think dude may just be tired and hurt, ready to be done.
I’ve seen a lot of folks posting FBI setup but, what about a glory seeker? Someone who was like damn, I look like that dude, and got his shit together to go “be found”. Been plenty of copy cats and false confessions for all kinds of crazy crimes in the past.
That’s also viable theory.
TBH I am just NOT buying how they are working OT clearly providing all evidence a stupid peasant would need to feel confidently wrong
They have no proven even close Luigi did it.
They need to do that. I can see an ideologically aligned person try to fuck with feds to keep the party goitngz which is much balls the original job.
Either government has the burde of proof and then running a smear campaign is planting seed of doubts esp since these clowns have done this trick before
We tracking their lies real time now
yeah but his public writings don’t have the anti cap terminology laced in it like here.
there specific groups of people in various subs who use termnology like feds and parasite the was it was used although this shit is now main stream discourse. talk about taking the disucssion mainstream
I don’t know why it’s so hard to believe. Of course the weight of US law enforcement was focused on one murder because it was a CEO. He didn’t get away without a trace, pictures of his face were everywhere. His path was traced from Atlanta to Pennsylvania. Why is it so hard to believe that he had incriminating evidence on him? For all we know, he might be on his way to whack another CEO. Wasn’t his last known address in Hawaii? He might have just been passing through Pennsylvania and had all his travel stuff with him. Once he realized the manhunt was closing in, he might have felt the need to write the justification with the hopes that the average American would read it and see him as a hero.
We still know so little about this whole situation. There’s just no reason to jump to conspiracy.
i think this one (manifesto) is fake for obvious reasons. this one is real https://archive.is/7jUsF
it’s way more coherent