NEW YORK, Dec 11 (Reuters) - In the days since Luigi Mangione was charged with murder for gunning down a top health insurance executive, more than a thousand donations have poured into an online fundraiser for his legal defense, with messages supporting him and even celebrating the crime.
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Most of the messages on the crowd-sourced fundraising site GiveSendGo reflect a deep frustration shared by many Americans over the U.S. healthcare system - where some treatments and reimbursements can be denied to patients depending on their insurance coverage - as well as broader anger over rising income inequality and soaring executive pay.
The crime he is accused of has been broadly condemned
Uhh, no, it’s not.
This whole thing has been excellent for countries with public healthcare systems under threat of the private sector trying to crack the armour. It sends a message to political careers, when the centre of the world’s capitalism clearly hates their current setup. It underscores to the most selfish of politicians that public support is more valuable than whatever form of “lobbying” deal a private company may bring to the table they don’t fundamentally belong at.
“They’ve made him a martyr for all the troubles people have had with their own insurance companies,” said Rodriguez “I mean, who hasn’t had run-ins with their insurance? But he’s a stone-cold killer.”
Most of the developed world outside of America.
I was talking to a friend of mine in Canada about this recently. He has some minor gripes, but nothing like what I have. I told them my recent ER visit approached $15k in charges and they were aghast. They couldn’t even comprehend it. Like, their brain just broke and shut off. It made no sense to them.
It shouldn’t make sense to us, either. We should have a similar reaction, but I think we’ve been slowly boiled so long that we don’t.
Time to take it back.
I think the healthcare system in my part of Canada has really been going to shit. ER wait times are ridiculous but I think a large part is from a lack of family doctors.
Instead of the general practitioners seeing people, people are just going to the ER for the most basic thing, but we don’t really have another choice. But I still haven’t experienced any issues with insurance coverage.
It happens to everyone, once a doctor prescribed a medicine off-label and my Krankenkasse (german non-profit health insurance) refused to cover all of it. I had to pay 10 euros out of my own pocket.The pharmacist was super apologetic about the whole thing. /s
As an American living in Germany I find it hilarious how Germans complain about the smallest cost of their prescriptions. I got some basic blood work done before my insurance kicked in and the doctor was going over the cost like I was going to flip my shit hearing it. I told him I was American and laughed. €25 for blood work and zero cost for just speaking to you? Sign me the fuck up. I paid $100 for a consultation about sinus infection that lasted 5 minutes at a general practice i Washington DC. You don’t scare me!
That’s because the costs are negotiated centrally, so healthcare is relatively cheap even if you have to pay for it. Some European countries are even having problems because some Americans found out that it’s often much cheaper to pay for a plane ticket, a nice hotel, and the treatment costs fully out of their own pocket in Europe than having the same treatment in the US even with insurance.
One of the most surreal experiences in my life was riding in an ambulance in Norway and having the EMT sheepishly explain that while the ambulance ride was free, the ER visit was going to come with a bill. He was equal parts embarrassed and indignant about it. The bill was the equivalent of $25.
I take adhd medicine in Germany that I also took in the US. In the US, I had to pay $50 for a doctor’s appointment, ~$200 for a drug test to make sure I was taking it and only it, and then $220 for one month of the generic brand. Then, when I hit my deductible in about June, the drug test was free, my appointment was $30, and the medication was $50. For this privilege, I paid $13k/year in premiums. In Germany, I get insurance for about €140/month while working part time at a bakery, then all my required appointments are free, no drug test, and I get two months of the brand name medication for under €16.
I was making over $60k/year in the US, not living in a major city. I now earn a few euros more than minimum wage at a part time job in Germany. Things are significantly more affordable here.
Of course health care in Germany is magnitudes better than in the USA. But there are some weird exceptions to coverage. For example everything around teeth and some things regarding eye sight and allergies. Apparently not having my eyes and nose swollen shut all the time is a life style choice which costs me ~50 bucks a month. At least they think I should be able to breathe which only costs me ~5 bucks every 4 months (north of 300 without coverage).
So how do we donate to something that isn’t a scam to get our money lol
GIvesendgo legal fund for those who want to see.
The most fucked up thing is right below his page, all the people needing money for healthcare related costs. Cancers/surgeries/live saving treatments…the fact that to survive in the usa you have to hope strangers send money to you is totally fucked.
What’s really funny is that’s how socialised healthcare works. We all pool money together based on income and it goes into this neat little fund that ensures no person ever goes without healthcare.
Corporations like United Health can’t profit from this so they’ve been working and lobbying lawmakers in my country and others for decades to gut the public health and education sectors to cause more deaths and get a foothold for private care.
In my eyes this is a corporate act of war and should be condemned to the highest degree. Our forefathers died in trenches to prove our worth and ensure we could practice this social democracy. American terror organisations sow doubts in the minds of my people and poison the waters of meaningful progress.
There is calculable effect on the people of my country in housing, health and education because of these profiteering fucks. These predatory animals could disappear tomorrow and nobody would give a flying fuck.
I donated and I don’t even live in the states, I just support the cause. Looks like it’s gaining momentum, too.
I wish it didn’t need to be done on Givesendgo but I guess they’re the only ones allowing it to stay up.
For anyone not aware, from its wikipedia:
GiveSendGo is a Christian crowdfundingwebsite.[5] GiveSendGo has attracted controversy for allowing far-right extremists to fundraise, including neo-Nazis, white supremacists and hate groups.[15]
At some point you’re gonna have to decide which one is more important, your hatred for religion or your hatred f for he rich.
I don’t hate religion and I’d be perfectly fine with a Christian version of Gofundme (even if I weren’t to use it myself). My problem is they were used as the main financial backing to the 2022 “freedom” trucker convoy in Ottawa, Canada. I lived in the middle of this shit for nearly four weeks. I got harassed the minute I left my house and I have friends who had to leave the city because it was too much for them.
My issue is not that the site is Christian but the fact that they played a large part in funding that whole event and apparently a bunch of other nasty things too.
How do we know for sure the money will go to McShooty? I couldn’t find any guarantee on the funding page. I’m worried it’s yet another grift…
From the givesendgo page …
All proceeds will be sent directly to Luigi or, if he chooses to reject the funds, they will instead be donated to legal funds for other U.S political prisoners.
I read that as well, I just wish there was a better way to ensure the funds would go to him. We just have the word of whomever setup that fundraising page. I don’t know if I trust it.
