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Holy ducking hell you nerds.

A 5ms round trip isn’t causing noticeable latency in games.

You are just bad. Stop blaming your router. You sound as dumb as idiots plugging in controllers because they think they are a step away from being a pro gamer.

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Well it’d be fine if it actually was 5ms round trip, however even with Wifi 6 you’re looking at ~90ms round trip, which actually is a noticable difference.

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That link is full of shit 🤣 90ms 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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You’re the one that specified round trip!

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You can hate all you want, but I tested my xbox controller connected to the PC via cable, bluetooth and the xbox dongle. The dongle was very much on par with the cable, probably because they use a custom 5GHz protocol, but bluetooth had noticeable latency. It’s not horrible, but clearly worse than the othet 2 options.

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3 points

Sure boss

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12 points

What’s the speed? Do you have a shitty 10mbps connection like my parents? Then WiFi, because you’re easily saturating that line either way.

Do you have gigabit? Then Ethernet, but then again getting like 600mbps wirelessly is good enough.

Biggest thing is having GOOD coverage. My house has multiple access points so that my connection is great everywhere. People with a shitty ISP router shoved in the cupboard in their basement make no sense lol.

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Do you have a shitty 10mbps connection like my parents? Then WiFi, because you’re easily saturating that line either way.

Only if latency doesn’t matter. WiFi has a lot more jitter, no matter if your WAN connection is 10 or 1000mbps.

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What crap are you doing that so intensive WiFi causes latency? It’s essentially a negligible difference unless you are saturating the signal. We’re taking less than 3ms for a reliable round trip.

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Wi-Fi has constant retransmissions. This adds perceptible latency because the checksum check, turnaround, and packet transmission add a lot of time compared to the speed of light through air across 3 meters.

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There are lots of factors that can cause jitter on WiFi, and it’s mostly outside of your control if you’re living somewhere more densely populated. My apartment randomly gets a lot of noise, and as a result my WiFi starts to get unacceptable amounts of packet loss and jitter. It doesn’t happen often enough to motivate the effort for me to go around signal analyzing, but still…

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Packet loss really, and the latency and jitter said loss can contribute to.

Radio waves go faster (speed of light) than through a medium (copper). Not that it matters at such a small scale, but it’s helpful to have a good picture of the elements at work here. The further you are from the receiving point, the more obstacles (matter) that can obstruct it. But in ideal conditions WiFi is better than most people think. Replicating those ideal conditions though…

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Radio waves go faster (speed of light) than through a medium (copper).

Except that copper ethernet is baseband, so it’s not radio waves. WiFi is still faster than copper AFAIK (there was a huge debate about this between youtubers not that long ago), at least for signalling, but the difference is smaller than you think. light (which is EM, the same waves as radio/WiFi) through glass is about 2/3rds c (aka the speed of light), and it’s actually a lot slower than ethernet or WiFi for propagation delay, however, WiFi must use CSMA/CA as well as other tricks to ensure it doesn’t step on itself, and that it doesn’t step on other sources of radio interference (Microwave ovens, wireless controllers (like xbox), bluetooth, zigbee, etc, on 2.4Ghz and stuff like RADAR on 5Ghz). It’s half-duplex, so only one station can transmit at a time, hense CSMA/CA being required, where ethernet doesn’t need any collision avoidance or detection except for rare cases of 10/100 half duplex, all gigabit is full duplex. Half duplex on wireline networks is basically eliminated at this point, so it’s little more than a footnote.

Factoring all this in, getting the signal down the line, WiFi loses in almost every case, due to all the considerations it needs to take into account.

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I had 100mbps ethernet because incompetent ISP worker who crimped only two pairs out of four. And I had AFAIR 150mbps plan! Don’t know what to wish for that idiot.

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My house has multiple access points so that my connection is great everywhere

As an IT professional who has worked with a lot of wireless systems, I approve. This is the way.

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Doesn’t matter, I’m on 5g home internet (about 10 times faster than the best wired option and 3 times cheaper) and I’m not about to drill holes into the rental or run cable on the floor to still have higher than average ping. I don’t play multiplayer games.

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Why am I being downvoted? I have shit ping in games with 5g internet and the marginal improvement that going wired from the modem to my computer would bring isn’t worth the work.

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Because it’s 4ms round trip with your router. 5g isn’t fucking Wi-Fi. You’re conflating the two.

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Since they said they have “5g home internet (about 10 times faster than the best wired option and 3 times cheaper)”, with “shit ping”, I assumed they meant 5th Gen cellular as their internet service at home.

Only a couple years ago, did we finally get a cable drop in our neighborhood, to actually give faster service than 4G LTE. (There’s still no fiber here, at our location in central Denver.) Because the cable company (Comcast) doesn’t offer a reasonable rate, we use line-of-sight wireless to a local mesh operator. Until then, we used 4G & 5G cellular, as our home internet. It was shit for reliability, but when it worked, the peak speeds beat any residential service available, by a pretty wide margin. Of course, those peak speeds turn to timeouts whenever the highway fills up (& our 5Ghz WiFi still flakes out too, as does the 2.4 Ghz wireless camera, & pretty much anything else that isn’t shielded).

There was no point in running ethernet, with that setup; it was never going to be stable. I still had to run 2 hardwires though: one to the Sony PS2, & the other to an ancient beige switch by the IBM PS/2.

Some people in the mountains & such, are on “5 Gigabit” wireless internet, but most seem to be on even lower speed plans than that. I’m really curious which @Default_Defect@lemmy.world has, because 5th Gen cellular is literally the best internet a lot of US residents can get, despite the abysmal terms & throttling that so many providers employ.

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I assumed they were talking about 5ghz WiFi, thogh that might not have been the case

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My guess is that people hear 5G internet and think it’s something really amazing and so think you don’t know what ping means

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13 points

I wouldn’t run cable for a higher ping either. I might for a lower one, though.

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56 points

Cables are fine until that stupid clip breaks off and every nudge unplugs the fucking cable ever so slightly that it doesn’t work but you can’t see it.

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17 points

I have a collection of 3d prints on thingiverse that reattach that part. Highly recommend.

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Haha true story

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Get a crimp tool and a 50-pack of connectors. If one breaks, it takes all of 60 seconds to re-crimp the end and you’ll only lose about an inch of cable length.

I re-cabled my entire apartment when I first moved in. Best decision I ever made. I just used the existing Cat5 lines to pull my Cat6a instead. Apartment got a free upgrade to Cat6a (which they never even knew about, because I wasn’t going to lose a deposit over something stupid like “unapproved upgrades”) and I got my tasty gigabit.

I was trying to download Red Dead Redemption 2. It was like 120GB, and was going to take hours at 10Mbps on the existing Cat5. I quickly said “fuck that, I can run new lines in 45 minutes and have the download done in 20 minutes with gigabit.” Sure enough, about an hour later, I was playing my game.

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4 points

I have zero experience with networking hardware. How hard is it to recable an apartment for a newb like me? How does that even work, do I gotta pull wires out of the walls?

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Adding new connectors means you only need about an inch extra on each side. Very low skill required if you have the (cheap) tools to do it. Actually putting new wires in place is a bit harder but still fairly easy. Attach some string to the old cable, pull it all the way through the walls. Attach the new cable to the string, then pull that through the walls. Then just add the connectors like the other scenario.

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No pulling wires from walls, just cutting the ends off and installing new connectors. Might not be enough in every case though.

Crimping took me like 5 attempts to get right when I learned it in school.

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Replacing connectors is east, but won’t solve your problem if the issue is bad cables in the walls. Pulling new cables entirely depends on how well they were installed. A lazy install will actually be much easier to replace, because a lazy installer won’t bother stapling cables in place. They’ll just run the cables across the attic/crawl space and leave it where it lands.

If you’re lucky and got a lazy installer, then you can be equally lazy; The old cable in the wall is going to be your pull line for your new cable. Step 1 is figuring out which lines are which. This is easier with something like a cable sniffer, but there are a few ways to do it. But assuming you know which cables are which, the rest is fairly straightforward.

Use electrical tape to affix the old cable to the new one. Just make a bend on each cable, hook the resulting bends together, then wrap them tightly with electrical tape. The bends hooked together allow the cable to hold the strain, rather than the adhesive on the tape. And you want to use electrical tape because it stretches. Pulling it tight when you wrap ensures that the tape will compress the cables with every wrap. You also want to try to make the connection as “smooth” as possible, so it won’t snag on anything when you pull it.

Now that the old cable is attached to the new, just grab the other end of the old cable and start pulling. It’ll drag the new cable through the wall for you as you pull it out of the wall. Fair warning this is much easier if you have someone feeding the new cable in as you pull, to ensure it doesn’t snag on anything as it enters the wall. It also only reliably works on installs without a lot of bends and corners; Every corner you have to pull around is another potential corner to get snagged on. If you get snagged, sometimes pulling it backwards (tugging on the new cable entering the wall) can help you reset to try again. But sometimes there’s no replacement for good old fashioned legwork; If you get really stuck, or your tape comes undone, or your cable breaks from the strain, you may need to go crawling around your attic to fix it. This is a fast method, but it’s not 100% reliable.

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I had whatb I assumed was a fault modem/router from the isp and one of the ports ran at 100mbps while the other ran at 1000. I figured this out when it took forever to transfer a file that was just a few gb.

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Make sure to get pass-through RJ45 connectors.

It’s 10x easier to trim the excess after crimping, rather than getting the lengths spot on before.

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I remember running out of those at work, & intentionally crushing the cheap-ass crimp-tool in my hand, just so I could finish up the next day with pass-through connectors & my Klein tool, rather than spend the next two hours re-terminating connectors that I ‘should have’ gotten exactly right the first time.

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Dunno, I have no problems with regular RJ45 connectors.

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Crimp tool: 2$

100 RJ45: 3$

Your problem will be solved for rest of you life and life of your children for 5 dollars.

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Stealing them off my workplace :0$

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It’s pretty easy to crimp a new one back on, and even easier with a 30 dollar tool.

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Easy fix with a tight layer of electrical tape to act as a wedge. You can also shove a toothpick in the top for extra staying power.

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This is why Pro level is to terminate all of your permanent cabling with punch down jacks and patch panels, then use throw-away patch cables from jacks to devices.

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Look at mr moneybags with their fancy data closet.

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It’s not that expensive… you can buy a home punch down board for cheap, just need some space. You don’t need an actual rack.

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All of money and downtime I save from replacing broken RJ45 plugs more than covers the $10 tool and extra $2 that it costs for a keystone jack and wall mount box.

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Ebay

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Not on Amazon

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